really really weird !!!! at DVinfo.net

Mark Fan · September 19th, 2004, 06:24 AM

below is an email I just send to panasonic canada, have a read:

I was reading the brochure of DVX 100A and DVC30 , and find something quite interesting, wondering if u could tell me why, in the brochure of 100A, Page 4, it says 100A has 4 different cine-like tones, and for DVC30, page 4 as well, it says, it has Movie simulation, and use the same GAMA processor that 100A uses, ok, here comes the question, look at the graph that been used to indicate the different lines of output, u may have seen the problem now, same cine-like curve was different in two graphs(green in 30's graph, blue in the other one), and I'm positive that they used the same standards, because the "normal" curve is exactly the same, and quite coincidentally, the blue line in 100A is the actual same curve in 30's graphy, however, it was marked as cine-like D, which I understand is differ from cine-like.

Hope to hear from u soon!:>
--
Kind Regards !
Mark

and u can downoad the borchure here,for 100A
http://catalog2.panasonic.com/webapp...E%20Camcorders

for DVC30
http://catalog2.panasonic.com/webapp...Model=AG-DVC30

Yang Wen · September 19th, 2004, 08:22 PM

Please phrase your question.

Mark Fan · September 19th, 2004, 10:42 PM

My question in the the email I pasted in my post, read it again please.

Rob Lohman · September 20th, 2004, 05:42 AM

I agree with Yang there is no real question in there. You state
some things are "wrong" in your view, but you don't say what
exactly is wrong or why you think this is wrong or what the
exact problem is.

I'm "thinking" you have problem that the two curves are not
the same or their name is different. Well a cine mode on one
camera does not need to have the same curve on the other
camera even if it is from the same manufacturer. Nor do they
have to name it the same. It is a different product and therefore
it might have different names and/or operating modes. Even
if it has the same chip.

Anyway, when sending an e-mail to company or here on a board
it is good to describe in clear words what your question is which
you don't do. So I'm not sure Panasonic "understands" your
"question" either. And proper language will probably help as
well (like "you" instead of "u") when talking to a company.

Mark Fan · September 20th, 2004, 06:30 PM

The question is why do they use different curves to indicate same cine-like gama in the same standard graph?

hope this time some one can understand me. I'm not a big fan of panasonic, nor sony , nor canon or JVC,etc. if u are a big fan of Panasonic, and feel offended by this post , then I apologise ! and maybe next time I'll watch my language while I'm talking to any 'big company'.

Thanks for reply anyways.

Yang Wen · September 20th, 2004, 10:39 PM

no one's offended but it just sounded like you had waay too much caffeine when typing the original post. I read it through twice and still didn't understand what you had said and then was pissed when I realized I had wasted my time doing so.

Mark Fan · September 21st, 2004, 04:02 AM

Thanks for your kindly reply, Yang.
and I think u are really wasting your time here.:>

Yang Wen · September 21st, 2004, 06:55 AM

if i keep reading posts like these then I would agree fully! :)

John Hudson · September 21st, 2004, 11:22 PM

Is there any need to be rude to the guy? It's not like he's giving the location of the Grail in ancient Araic. :P

I got the question the first time. Yes, re-read it guys (Here's a hint: ....here comes the question....)

I have no idea why this is (Own the DVX not the DVC30) unfortunately. I looked at it and wonder if its because the 30 is using a Frame mode and the 100A is using Progressive? Anyone?

Why is everyone fixated on the mysterious DA VINCI Code here? Jeez.

Chris Hurd · September 22nd, 2004, 01:32 AM

Thank you, John, for actually answering his question. And you're absolutely right, there's no need to be rude to anybody.

There's a big difference, in how different people say different things differently. If you don't get the gist of it, then please just move along. Gracias all,

Mark Fan · October 1st, 2004, 05:51 PM

I just got the reply form Panasonic , and Thanks for John and Chris and also thanks for Yang and Rob's participation, here's the reply from Panasonic, I think we'll all understand why now,

The curves are different. The DVX100 has the 4 different curves for
Cinemalike gamma
The DVC30 has only one which is similar to the DVC100 Cine-Like D even though
in the dvc30 it is called cine-like (without the D)

For best quality of video to look like film in the DV format please choose
the DVX100 camera with cinelike curve

Hope this helps

David Craig
Product Manager
Panasonic Canada Inc.
905 238-2269
dcraig@ca.panasonic.com
http://home.cogeco.ca/~dcraig/PCI/

September 19th, 2004, 06:24 AM	#1
Mark Fan Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 33	really really wired !!!! below is an email I just send to panasonic canada, have a read: I was reading the brochure of DVX 100A and DVC30 , and find something quite interesting, wondering if u could tell me why, in the brochure of 100A, Page 4, it says 100A has 4 different cine-like tones, and for DVC30, page 4 as well, it says, it has Movie simulation, and use the same GAMA processor that 100A uses, ok, here comes the question, look at the graph that been used to indicate the different lines of output, u may have seen the problem now, same cine-like curve was different in two graphs(green in 30's graph, blue in the other one), and I'm positive that they used the same standards, because the "normal" curve is exactly the same, and quite coincidentally, the blue line in 100A is the actual same curve in 30's graphy, however, it was marked as cine-like D, which I understand is differ from cine-like. Hope to hear from u soon!:> -- Kind Regards ! Mark and u can downoad the borchure here,for 100A http://catalog2.panasonic.com/webapp...E%20Camcorders for DVC30 http://catalog2.panasonic.com/webapp...Model=AG-DVC30

September 20th, 2004, 05:42 AM	#4
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	I agree with Yang there is no real question in there. You state some things are "wrong" in your view, but you don't say what exactly is wrong or why you think this is wrong or what the exact problem is. I'm "thinking" you have problem that the two curves are not the same or their name is different. Well a cine mode on one camera does not need to have the same curve on the other camera even if it is from the same manufacturer. Nor do they have to name it the same. It is a different product and therefore it might have different names and/or operating modes. Even if it has the same chip. Anyway, when sending an e-mail to company or here on a board it is good to describe in clear words what your question is which you don't do. So I'm not sure Panasonic "understands" your "question" either. And proper language will probably help as well (like "you" instead of "u") when talking to a company. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

September 22nd, 2004, 01:32 AM	#10
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Thank you, John, for actually answering his question. And you're absolutely right, there's no need to be rude to anybody. There's a big difference, in how different people say different things differently. If you don't get the gist of it, then please just move along. Gracias all, __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

September 19th, 2004, 08:22 PM	#2
Yang Wen Major Player Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 991	Please phrase your question.

September 19th, 2004, 10:42 PM	#3
Mark Fan Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 33	My question in the the email I pasted in my post, read it again please.

September 20th, 2004, 06:30 PM	#5
Mark Fan Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 33	The question is why do they use different curves to indicate same cine-like gama in the same standard graph? hope this time some one can understand me. I'm not a big fan of panasonic, nor sony , nor canon or JVC,etc. if u are a big fan of Panasonic, and feel offended by this post , then I apologise ! and maybe next time I'll watch my language while I'm talking to any 'big company'. Thanks for reply anyways.

September 20th, 2004, 10:39 PM	#6
Yang Wen Major Player Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 991	no one's offended but it just sounded like you had waay too much caffeine when typing the original post. I read it through twice and still didn't understand what you had said and then was pissed when I realized I had wasted my time doing so.

September 21st, 2004, 04:02 AM	#7
Mark Fan Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 33	Thanks for your kindly reply, Yang. and I think u are really wasting your time here.:>

September 21st, 2004, 06:55 AM	#8
Yang Wen Major Player Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 991	if i keep reading posts like these then I would agree fully! :)

September 21st, 2004, 11:22 PM	#9
John Hudson Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: 32° 44' N 117° 10' W Posts: 820	Is there any need to be rude to the guy? It's not like he's giving the location of the Grail in ancient Araic. :P I got the question the first time. Yes, re-read it guys (Here's a hint: ....here comes the question....) I have no idea why this is (Own the DVX not the DVC30) unfortunately. I looked at it and wonder if its because the 30 is using a Frame mode and the 100A is using Progressive? Anyone? Why is everyone fixated on the mysterious DA VINCI Code here? Jeez.

October 1st, 2004, 05:51 PM	#11
Mark Fan Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 33	I just got the reply form Panasonic , and Thanks for John and Chris and also thanks for Yang and Rob's participation, here's the reply from Panasonic, I think we'll all understand why now, The curves are different. The DVX100 has the 4 different curves for Cinemalike gamma The DVC30 has only one which is similar to the DVC100 Cine-Like D even though in the dvc30 it is called cine-like (without the D) For best quality of video to look like film in the DV format please choose the DVX100 camera with cinelike curve Hope this helps David Craig Product Manager Panasonic Canada Inc. 905 238-2269 dcraig@ca.panasonic.com http://home.cogeco.ca/~dcraig/PCI/