DVx100a vs XL1s Manual Controls at DVinfo.net

Mark Grgurev · March 14th, 2004, 05:23 PM

Which has the most (in camera) manual controls, the Xl1s or the DVX100a?

Peter Jefferson · March 15th, 2004, 05:16 AM

Being both pro sumer cams, theyre pretty much the same, difference being that the DVX has indelth gamma, lighting and colour settings as opposed the XL, not to mention remote devices/backup units, and incredible data recording (being that your settings for any given recording are also accessable (white balance, focus zoom etc etc)

Imran Zaidi · March 15th, 2004, 08:23 AM

I have never owned an XL1, but I can tell you that the gamma and general color controls in the DVX100a are really amazing, and can be used in a million different combinations for many unique looks. Doesn't matter if you're going specifically for a 'film look' or not - it really gives you an edge for great looking footage of any type before you even get to post and color correction. I don't know of any other cameras in this price range that give you this much control over image.

But again, I've never owned an XL1 so take that as you wish. I had a GL2 before, but of course, it's not as pro as an XL so naturally wouldn't have all the controls. But having used the XL1 a couple of times, I don't recall there being as much control as the DVX100a.

Stephen van Vuuren · March 15th, 2004, 09:54 AM

I owned an XL1 with the canon manual lens before I sold it to get the DVX100s. That did give me a fstop ring but you lost display and exposure info in the LCD.

Despite that, the DVX100 series is a better manual cam in my experience. The detailed image controls mentioned plus the focus scale made manual focusing and exposure easier for me than the XL1.

Imran Zaidi · March 15th, 2004, 10:18 AM

How could I forget the focus scale! It has made my life so much easier to just be able to dial in the appropriate focus stops. Love it.

Tom Hardwick · March 15th, 2004, 10:45 AM

Yes, just like Super-8 cameras of 30 years ago. Where did we go wrong?

Imran Zaidi · March 15th, 2004, 11:01 AM

I think where we went wrong is the same place mentioned in an editor's note from, I think, the latest issue of DV mag. Often times the engineers of a product are just that - engineers. Not filmmakers or video or broadcast professionals.

At least that's my guess...

Tom Hardwick · March 20th, 2004, 09:20 AM

Seems strange to me that 30 years ago Nikon, Canon and Minolta were all producing 10x zoom lenses (just as the DVX100 is today). But years ago those zooms maintained f1.4 throughout the zoom range, not like the DVX that loses a stop and a half as you zoom. Thing is the Super-8 frame is huge in comparison the the 1/3" chip - 5.5mm x 4.2mm. The chip is 4.4mm x 3.3mm. The lenses didn't seem that much bigger all those years ago - my 1014E Canon has a 58mm filter thread.

tom.

Robert Mann Z. · March 21st, 2004, 09:42 AM

from an xl1 - dvx owner

the xl1 (not s)has great buttons and they are really easy to control,

some nitpicking, while on your shoulder the audio controls are no longer easy to control, the lens loses stops, but worse then the dvx is softer then the lieca glass, no wb memory, but on a positive you full acess to shutter speed, and guess what...your gonna need it because the xl1s nd filter is the worst yet

the dvx (not a) has it's own share of faults, the audio recess dials are not that reccesed (ok fixed with a, but i have yet to try it) the lens although tack sharp, loses speed, what the??? i expec more from lieca on this...no shutter control, unless you happen top have the lcd open and can figure out what button it is (they are all pretty much the same shape) takes some getting use to...

wb is excellent, better then xl1 wb tool...but where i find the dvx to shine is the display controls...for one MAJOR diffrence REC is red, just how it should be, instead of green on the xl1, how many times have i made that mistake, the xl1 was the first camera i have ever used to have a green REC in the display, took some getting use to, also nice to have audio levels where they belong, as most said focus display helps a bit

and of course color rendition, and scene save, very nice, for some this is worth price of admission alone, for me, i'm still working on building a relationship with the color features of the dvx, i think i have ONE scene that i'm happy with, i think...you can tweak yourself to death with this thing, lose sleep not eat, n so forth..

the dvx in general does a great job with manual controls based on its form factor, a lot more then the xl1, no..but better yes

March 14th, 2004, 05:23 PM	#1
Mark Grgurev Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Fairview,nj Posts: 137	DVx100a vs XL1s Manual Controls Which has the most (in camera) manual controls, the Xl1s or the DVX100a?

March 15th, 2004, 09:54 AM	#4
Stephen van Vuuren Space Hipster Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 1,508	I owned an XL1 with the canon manual lens before I sold it to get the DVX100s. That did give me a fstop ring but you lost display and exposure info in the LCD. Despite that, the DVX100 series is a better manual cam in my experience. The detailed image controls mentioned plus the focus scale made manual focusing and exposure easier for me than the XL1. __________________ stephen v2 www.insaturnsrings.com

March 15th, 2004, 05:16 AM	#2
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	Being both pro sumer cams, theyre pretty much the same, difference being that the DVX has indelth gamma, lighting and colour settings as opposed the XL, not to mention remote devices/backup units, and incredible data recording (being that your settings for any given recording are also accessable (white balance, focus zoom etc etc)

March 15th, 2004, 08:23 AM	#3
Imran Zaidi Trustee Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 1,315	I have never owned an XL1, but I can tell you that the gamma and general color controls in the DVX100a are really amazing, and can be used in a million different combinations for many unique looks. Doesn't matter if you're going specifically for a 'film look' or not - it really gives you an edge for great looking footage of any type before you even get to post and color correction. I don't know of any other cameras in this price range that give you this much control over image. But again, I've never owned an XL1 so take that as you wish. I had a GL2 before, but of course, it's not as pro as an XL so naturally wouldn't have all the controls. But having used the XL1 a couple of times, I don't recall there being as much control as the DVX100a.

March 15th, 2004, 10:18 AM	#5
Imran Zaidi Trustee Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 1,315	How could I forget the focus scale! It has made my life so much easier to just be able to dial in the appropriate focus stops. Love it.

March 15th, 2004, 10:45 AM	#6
Tom Hardwick Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Billericay, England UK Posts: 4,711	Yes, just like Super-8 cameras of 30 years ago. Where did we go wrong?

March 15th, 2004, 11:01 AM	#7
Imran Zaidi Trustee Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 1,315	I think where we went wrong is the same place mentioned in an editor's note from, I think, the latest issue of DV mag. Often times the engineers of a product are just that - engineers. Not filmmakers or video or broadcast professionals. At least that's my guess...

March 20th, 2004, 09:20 AM	#8
Tom Hardwick Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Billericay, England UK Posts: 4,711	Seems strange to me that 30 years ago Nikon, Canon and Minolta were all producing 10x zoom lenses (just as the DVX100 is today). But years ago those zooms maintained f1.4 throughout the zoom range, not like the DVX that loses a stop and a half as you zoom. Thing is the Super-8 frame is huge in comparison the the 1/3" chip - 5.5mm x 4.2mm. The chip is 4.4mm x 3.3mm. The lenses didn't seem that much bigger all those years ago - my 1014E Canon has a 58mm filter thread. tom.

March 21st, 2004, 09:42 AM	#9
Robert Mann Z. Skyonic New York Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NYC Posts: 614	from an xl1 - dvx owner the xl1 (not s)has great buttons and they are really easy to control, some nitpicking, while on your shoulder the audio controls are no longer easy to control, the lens loses stops, but worse then the dvx is softer then the lieca glass, no wb memory, but on a positive you full acess to shutter speed, and guess what...your gonna need it because the xl1s nd filter is the worst yet the dvx (not a) has it's own share of faults, the audio recess dials are not that reccesed (ok fixed with a, but i have yet to try it) the lens although tack sharp, loses speed, what the??? i expec more from lieca on this...no shutter control, unless you happen top have the lcd open and can figure out what button it is (they are all pretty much the same shape) takes some getting use to... wb is excellent, better then xl1 wb tool...but where i find the dvx to shine is the display controls...for one MAJOR diffrence REC is red, just how it should be, instead of green on the xl1, how many times have i made that mistake, the xl1 was the first camera i have ever used to have a green REC in the display, took some getting use to, also nice to have audio levels where they belong, as most said focus display helps a bit and of course color rendition, and scene save, very nice, for some this is worth price of admission alone, for me, i'm still working on building a relationship with the color features of the dvx, i think i have ONE scene that i'm happy with, i think...you can tweak yourself to death with this thing, lose sleep not eat, n so forth.. the dvx in general does a great job with manual controls based on its form factor, a lot more then the xl1, no..but better yes