AG-DVC30 various topics at DVinfo.net

Stephen van Vuuren · February 14th, 2004, 01:34 AM

Panasonic USA has added AG-DVC30 info to their site here

Tavis Shaver · February 14th, 2004, 02:12 AM

wow, cool. Not too long before B&H has it listed then i imagine.

edit: here it is

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...&Q=*&shs=dvc30

Patrick Bower · February 15th, 2004, 04:55 PM

Shame that the audio XLR inputs are now an optional extra. If you need them, it makes the DVC-30 almost the same retail price as the DVC-80.
Patrick

Stephen van Vuuren · February 15th, 2004, 05:05 PM

I'll be interested in the street prices. I agree, the list prices for cam and accessories seem a little high to me.

Tavis Shaver · February 15th, 2004, 05:40 PM

they better drop or else they're gonna tank.

David Ziegelheim · February 16th, 2004, 12:24 AM

I wonder if the DVC80 is just being dropped. The DVC30 price is inline with the GL2 before the current discounting.

Tim Borek · February 20th, 2004, 12:56 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by David Ziegelheim : I wonder if the DVC80 is just being dropped. The DVC30 price is inline with the GL2 before the current discounting. -->>>

If Panasonic drops the DVC80, I'll snag another one sooner than planned. I love mine and plan to get a second next year.

Joe Garnero · February 23rd, 2004, 11:15 AM

Well I just got my B&H Catalog and the DVC30 is in there! Also the DVC80 and 100 models.

Can't be long now!

Patrick Bower · February 23rd, 2004, 11:52 AM

$2,298.77 at 1-877 Camcorder. Which makes it bit more expensive than the GL2, and cheaper than the DVC-80.
Patrick

David Ziegelheim · February 23rd, 2004, 12:20 PM

$2300 is within $100 of the GL2 price before the rebate/price cuts that started late last summer.

The DVC80 has been available closer to $2000 lately...even under $2000. Better CCD & lens than DVC30, but DVC30 has better electronics. DVX100A has best of both plus additional features (e.g. 24p, 30p, etc.)

Kevin Lee · February 23rd, 2004, 12:33 PM

i saw a demo of this cam the other week.
The Super Night Shooting feature was quite amazing. B/W image clarity at near zero light. Definitely a plus cam for news and reporting.

Ron Evans · February 24th, 2004, 12:43 PM

David,
How is the electronics better on the DVC30 than the DVC80. I was under the impression that the DVC80 was a DVX100 but without the progressive 24P capability. i.e. an interlace only DVX100.

Ron

David Ziegelheim · February 24th, 2004, 01:16 PM

Basically. the DVX100A and DVC30 have a 12-bit ADC that captures a broader range of color and luminence for digital processing. They have more programming features, probably with a faster processor (Panasonic doesn't discuss the processor in their literature).

So with DVC30 you have the slow shutter, skin tone detail, frame mode, 16x9 squeeze mode, marker (a spot ire meter), cine gamma, etc.

Since the DVC80 shares its platform and electronics package with the original DVX100 (dumbed down for a different price point), it has the 1/3" CCDs and zoom ring. And maybe a better lens.

Picking between them (the DVC30 and DVC80) would be difficult. When DVC80 supplies are exhausted it will be irrelevant. The bigger price gap and feature gap between the DVX100A and DVC30 compared to the DVX100 and DVC80 will make selection for many simpler. DVX100A for real movies and very high end prosumer. DVC30 for low end prosumer and high end consumer competing with the GL3(?), and PDX15.

I expect DVC30 prices to settle in the $2100 range.

Dorothy Engleman · March 5th, 2004, 09:04 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Stephen van Vuuren : Panasonic USA has added DV-30 info to their site here -->>>

In addition to Panasonic's statement:

"Movie Like mode combines frame mode & CineGamma for a cinematic look (+ LumiFlik for old time movie look)",

I received a Panasonic info sheet from AbelCineTech which included this description:

"Movie Like Mode at 30 fps and Cine-Like Gamma Curve (not true progressive)."

Any ideas what this might look like in comparison to the GL2's progressive....oops, I meant frame mode?

Dorothy

Ignacio Rodriguez · March 5th, 2004, 11:18 PM

> Shame that the audio XLR inputs are now an optional extra.
> If you need them, it makes the DVC-30 almost the same
> retail price as the DVC-80.

Makes sense to me. It's an advantage to be able to detach the XLR module from my PDX10 when I don't need it.

Looks like a great little cam. Hope the 16x9 is as good as the PDX10. Low light seems to be much much better by the specs... and progressive mode and slow shutter (hopefully with no line doubling) are very welcome.

This camera seems to have just what the PDX10 doesn't and needs real bad:

-- Better low light
-- Frame mode
-- More wide-angle

February 14th, 2004, 01:34 AM	#1
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February 15th, 2004, 05:05 PM	#4
Stephen van Vuuren Space Hipster Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 1,508	I'll be interested in the street prices. I agree, the list prices for cam and accessories seem a little high to me. __________________ stephen v2 www.insaturnsrings.com

March 5th, 2004, 09:04 PM	#14
Dorothy Engleman Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Santa Monica, California Posts: 146	Re: DVC-30 US Info Posted <<<-- Originally posted by Stephen van Vuuren : Panasonic USA has added DV-30 info to their site here -->>> In addition to Panasonic's statement: "Movie Like mode combines frame mode & CineGamma for a cinematic look (+ LumiFlik for old time movie look)", I received a Panasonic info sheet from AbelCineTech which included this description: "Movie Like Mode at 30 fps and Cine-Like Gamma Curve (not true progressive)." Any ideas what this might look like in comparison to the GL2's progressive....oops, I meant frame mode? Dorothy

March 5th, 2004, 11:18 PM	#15
Ignacio Rodriguez Contributor Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Santiago, Chile Posts: 932	> Shame that the audio XLR inputs are now an optional extra. > If you need them, it makes the DVC-30 almost the same > retail price as the DVC-80. Makes sense to me. It's an advantage to be able to detach the XLR module from my PDX10 when I don't need it. Looks like a great little cam. Hope the 16x9 is as good as the PDX10. Low light seems to be much much better by the specs... and progressive mode and slow shutter (hopefully with no line doubling) are very welcome. This camera seems to have just what the PDX10 doesn't and needs real bad: -- Better low light -- Frame mode -- More wide-angle __________________ Ignacio Rodríguez in the third world. @micronauta on Twitter. Main hardware: brain, eyes, hands.

February 14th, 2004, 02:12 AM	#2
Tavis Shaver Major Player Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC. Canada Posts: 209	wow, cool. Not too long before B&H has it listed then i imagine. edit: here it is http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...&Q=*&shs=dvc30

February 15th, 2004, 04:55 PM	#3
Patrick Bower Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: London, England Posts: 126	Shame that the audio XLR inputs are now an optional extra. If you need them, it makes the DVC-30 almost the same retail price as the DVC-80. Patrick

February 15th, 2004, 05:40 PM	#5
Tavis Shaver Major Player Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC. Canada Posts: 209	they better drop or else they're gonna tank.

February 16th, 2004, 12:24 AM	#6
David Ziegelheim Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Warren, NJ Posts: 398	I wonder if the DVC80 is just being dropped. The DVC30 price is inline with the GL2 before the current discounting.

February 20th, 2004, 12:56 PM	#7
Tim Borek Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Westfield, IN Posts: 353	<<<-- Originally posted by David Ziegelheim : I wonder if the DVC80 is just being dropped. The DVC30 price is inline with the GL2 before the current discounting. -->>> If Panasonic drops the DVC80, I'll snag another one sooner than planned. I love mine and plan to get a second next year.

February 23rd, 2004, 11:15 AM	#8
Joe Garnero Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Woodstock, GA Posts: 60	Well I just got my B&H Catalog and the DVC30 is in there! Also the DVC80 and 100 models. Can't be long now!

February 23rd, 2004, 11:52 AM	#9
Patrick Bower Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: London, England Posts: 126	$2,298.77 at 1-877 Camcorder. Which makes it bit more expensive than the GL2, and cheaper than the DVC-80. Patrick

February 23rd, 2004, 12:20 PM	#10
David Ziegelheim Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Warren, NJ Posts: 398	$2300 is within $100 of the GL2 price before the rebate/price cuts that started late last summer. The DVC80 has been available closer to $2000 lately...even under $2000. Better CCD & lens than DVC30, but DVC30 has better electronics. DVX100A has best of both plus additional features (e.g. 24p, 30p, etc.)

February 23rd, 2004, 12:33 PM	#11
Kevin Lee Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 224	i saw a demo of this cam the other week. The Super Night Shooting feature was quite amazing. B/W image clarity at near zero light. Definitely a plus cam for news and reporting.

February 24th, 2004, 12:43 PM	#12
Ron Evans Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 4,222	David, How is the electronics better on the DVC30 than the DVC80. I was under the impression that the DVC80 was a DVX100 but without the progressive 24P capability. i.e. an interlace only DVX100. Ron

February 24th, 2004, 01:16 PM	#13
David Ziegelheim Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Warren, NJ Posts: 398	Basically. the DVX100A and DVC30 have a 12-bit ADC that captures a broader range of color and luminence for digital processing. They have more programming features, probably with a faster processor (Panasonic doesn't discuss the processor in their literature). So with DVC30 you have the slow shutter, skin tone detail, frame mode, 16x9 squeeze mode, marker (a spot ire meter), cine gamma, etc. Since the DVC80 shares its platform and electronics package with the original DVX100 (dumbed down for a different price point), it has the 1/3" CCDs and zoom ring. And maybe a better lens. Picking between them (the DVC30 and DVC80) would be difficult. When DVC80 supplies are exhausted it will be irrelevant. The bigger price gap and feature gap between the DVX100A and DVC30 compared to the DVX100 and DVC80 will make selection for many simpler. DVX100A for real movies and very high end prosumer. DVC30 for low end prosumer and high end consumer competing with the GL3(?), and PDX15. I expect DVC30 prices to settle in the $2100 range.