New AG-DVX100A announced - please post all threads here - frame grabs available

Dan Lahav · November 21st, 2003, 02:09 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Ho Chee Woe : 12bit A/D can produce higher dynamic range than a 8bit A/D -->>>

i still dont understand

Dean Harrington · November 21st, 2003, 02:53 AM

http://www.national.com/appinfo/adc/files/definition_of_terms.pdf

for an explaination of bit A/D

Yik Kuen · November 21st, 2003, 03:26 AM

I'm currently using a Streamcorder, which has the same 12-bit A/D.

This indeed helps in maintaining better dynamic range because according to JVC, 12-bit signals are pre-processed before down sampling them to 8-bit DV.

All other prosumer cams work with 8-bit signals all the way.

David Ziegelheim · November 21st, 2003, 05:29 AM

The 12-bit A/D, and the knee control and probably color matirx things it allowed to be added are the real story with the new camaera. The other changes are nice to haves, but prettu much all have work arounds with he old camera.

But the 12-bit A/D is big. If Canon comes out with a 12-bit or higher A/D, 24p/30p and a native 16:9 CCD, the DVX will be trumped.

But then, if a FVC-200 form factor DVX-200 comes out....

Chris Hurd · November 21st, 2003, 01:54 PM

I agree wholeheartedly with David... in my not-so-humble opinion, the single biggest and most significant feature is the 12-bit A/D. This is a huge deal, and it makes an already superb camcorder that much better. If this was the only change, I'd still be all over it... a very smart move for Panasonic.

Mike Zorger · November 21st, 2003, 02:24 PM

explain 12 bit A/d. Does it make the picture look any different????????????

Kevin Beswick · November 21st, 2003, 02:25 PM

Actually, if the new 100a is going to go for over $5000 as someone previously mentioned, and if it won't be able to shoot 60i, AND if they really are discontinuing the 100, I'd say hang on to the 100! It may well INCREASE in value. There are currently no other cameras in the sub $4000 price range that will touch it in features, and if Panasonic is stupid enough to discontinue the 100 thinking people will gladly fork over another $1500-2000 for the 100a, we may all be sitting on a little goldmine. Anyone willing to pay $3750 for a slightly used 100? Call me in six months!

Dean Harrington · November 21st, 2003, 03:52 PM

If you've got gain in 30p, you don't need 60i. How could it get better than that?

Chris Sorensen · November 21st, 2003, 04:09 PM

It has 60i.

http://panasonic.co.jp/bsd/sales_o/0...100a_spec.html

And the anticipated LIST price is $5,000, with a street price supposedly around $4,000.

Dan Lahav · November 21st, 2003, 05:02 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Mike Zorger : explain 12 bit A/d. Does it make the picture look any different???????????? -->>>

Haha yeah, im starting to think people just like bigger numbers but dont know what it specifically does :)

Peter J Alessandria · November 21st, 2003, 07:23 PM

Specs sound great - But I'm going to wait until I see for myself how different the image on the DVX 100A is.

Yik Kuen · November 21st, 2003, 07:43 PM

Usually, 12-bit A/Ds are found in more expensive shoulder-cams, like Pana's AJ-SDX900, JVC's GY-DV5000.

Even though not very significant, but noticeable. I do not know how Pana implements this, but according to JVC:

"the 12-bit A/D allows direct digital input to the DSP without passing through analogue pre-gain and pre-knee circuits, eliminating signal degradation"

This feature is also available on the GY-DV300, aka Streamcorder. I would suggest that do a direct footage comparison with the rests, like PD, XL & DVX100 to see the difference.

Stuart Kupinsky · November 22nd, 2003, 06:03 AM

DVX100A U.S. availability and pricing late December.

''They [Panasonic Broadcast Japan] announced this product at InterBEE in Japan, and we'll show it at DV Expo West in December,'' said Jim Wickizer, a spokesperson for Panasonic Broadcast US. ''What they are announcing in Japan is the same product that we're going to be bringing to the United States. We're not ready to announce pricing or availability. There will be an announcement on pricing and availability on the model in late December.''

Jamison Olivieri · November 22nd, 2003, 10:24 AM

Hey if you guys find out if Pany is going to offers upgrades for existing users can you guys make sure to tell me thanks!

Yang Wen · November 23rd, 2003, 06:38 PM

Well if Panasonic fixes the audio delay problem in 24P mode, it would be another great upgrade.

November 21st, 2003, 02:53 AM	#92
Dean Harrington Major Player Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Tokyo Posts: 898	Go here..... http://www.national.com/appinfo/adc/files/definition_of_terms.pdf for an explaination of bit A/D

November 21st, 2003, 01:54 PM	#95
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	I agree wholeheartedly with David... in my not-so-humble opinion, the single biggest and most significant feature is the 12-bit A/D. This is a huge deal, and it makes an already superb camcorder that much better. If this was the only change, I'd still be all over it... a very smart move for Panasonic. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

November 21st, 2003, 03:52 PM	#98
Dean Harrington Major Player Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Tokyo Posts: 898	60i.... If you've got gain in 30p, you don't need 60i. How could it get better than that?

November 22nd, 2003, 06:03 AM	#103
Stuart Kupinsky Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Princeton, NJ Posts: 82	DVX100A U.S. availability and pricing late December. ''They [Panasonic Broadcast Japan] announced this product at InterBEE in Japan, and we'll show it at DV Expo West in December,'' said Jim Wickizer, a spokesperson for Panasonic Broadcast US. ''What they are announcing in Japan is the same product that we're going to be bringing to the United States. We're not ready to announce pricing or availability. There will be an announcement on pricing and availability on the model in late December.'' __________________ DVX100A/AT4071a/Vegas/After Effects Dual 2GHz Xeon PC

November 21st, 2003, 02:09 AM	#91
Dan Lahav Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: CA Posts: 172	<<<-- Originally posted by Ho Chee Woe : 12bit A/D can produce higher dynamic range than a 8bit A/D -->>> i still dont understand

November 21st, 2003, 03:26 AM	#93
Yik Kuen Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Johor Bahru, Malaysia Posts: 135	I'm currently using a Streamcorder, which has the same 12-bit A/D. This indeed helps in maintaining better dynamic range because according to JVC, 12-bit signals are pre-processed before down sampling them to 8-bit DV. All other prosumer cams work with 8-bit signals all the way.

November 21st, 2003, 05:29 AM	#94
David Ziegelheim Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Warren, NJ Posts: 398	The 12-bit A/D, and the knee control and probably color matirx things it allowed to be added are the real story with the new camaera. The other changes are nice to haves, but prettu much all have work arounds with he old camera. But the 12-bit A/D is big. If Canon comes out with a 12-bit or higher A/D, 24p/30p and a native 16:9 CCD, the DVX will be trumped. But then, if a FVC-200 form factor DVX-200 comes out....

November 21st, 2003, 02:24 PM	#96
Mike Zorger Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Norther VA Posts: 163	explain 12 bit A/d. Does it make the picture look any different????????????

November 21st, 2003, 02:25 PM	#97
Kevin Beswick New Boot Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Kentwood, MI Posts: 12	Actually, if the new 100a is going to go for over $5000 as someone previously mentioned, and if it won't be able to shoot 60i, AND if they really are discontinuing the 100, I'd say hang on to the 100! It may well INCREASE in value. There are currently no other cameras in the sub $4000 price range that will touch it in features, and if Panasonic is stupid enough to discontinue the 100 thinking people will gladly fork over another $1500-2000 for the 100a, we may all be sitting on a little goldmine. Anyone willing to pay $3750 for a slightly used 100? Call me in six months!

November 21st, 2003, 04:09 PM	#99
Chris Sorensen Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: New York, NY Posts: 61	It has 60i. http://panasonic.co.jp/bsd/sales_o/0...100a_spec.html And the anticipated LIST price is $5,000, with a street price supposedly around $4,000.

November 21st, 2003, 05:02 PM	#100
Dan Lahav Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: CA Posts: 172	<<<-- Originally posted by Mike Zorger : explain 12 bit A/d. Does it make the picture look any different???????????? -->>> Haha yeah, im starting to think people just like bigger numbers but dont know what it specifically does :)

November 21st, 2003, 07:23 PM	#101
Peter J Alessandria Major Player Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 293	Specs sound great - But I'm going to wait until I see for myself how different the image on the DVX 100A is.

November 21st, 2003, 07:43 PM	#102
Yik Kuen Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Johor Bahru, Malaysia Posts: 135	Usually, 12-bit A/Ds are found in more expensive shoulder-cams, like Pana's AJ-SDX900, JVC's GY-DV5000. Even though not very significant, but noticeable. I do not know how Pana implements this, but according to JVC: "the 12-bit A/D allows direct digital input to the DSP without passing through analogue pre-gain and pre-knee circuits, eliminating signal degradation" This feature is also available on the GY-DV300, aka Streamcorder. I would suggest that do a direct footage comparison with the rests, like PD, XL & DVX100 to see the difference.

November 22nd, 2003, 10:24 AM	#104
Jamison Olivieri Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: CA Posts: 50	Hey if you guys find out if Pany is going to offers upgrades for existing users can you guys make sure to tell me thanks!

November 23rd, 2003, 06:38 PM	#105
Yang Wen Major Player Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 991	Well if Panasonic fixes the audio delay problem in 24P mode, it would be another great upgrade.