24p questions

Hugh Dorigo · February 21st, 2006, 08:52 PM

I am using Final Cut Pro and am trying to capture footage shot in 24p ( not advanced) for editing in a 24p timeline. Apparently advanced mode must be used or it will be captured at 29.97. My question is how can I convert to use this footage with all my other 24pa (23.98) footage in my 24p timeline? Thanks.

Ken Adcox · February 22nd, 2006, 12:34 PM

Methinks you'd get more responses if you post this question in the
Non-linear Editing on a Mac section of the forum.
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/forumdisplay.php?f=30

You could also take a look at this thread:
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=61135
No replies yet, but the topic is similar.

Lyndon Golanowski · February 23rd, 2006, 07:39 PM

Hey guy's im shooting an event similiar to UFC (ultimate fighting championship) and I can't decide if I should shoot 24p standard or 60i. What would you guy's think?

Planning to go on Pay Per View, DVD etc.

Barry Green · February 23rd, 2006, 08:31 PM

Live events are almost invariably shot in 60i or high-def 60p, especially sporting events.

If you're doing some sort of documentary about the sport, 24p might be appropriate, but if you're actually shooting the event itself, people are accustomed to seeing those events at 60i or 60p.

Lyndon Golanowski · February 23rd, 2006, 08:41 PM

Thanks Barry, Do you think the DVX100 is an appropriate choice

Chris Barcellos · February 23rd, 2006, 09:02 PM

Checkout the interview referenced in this thread:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=61357

Dale Lundy · March 11th, 2006, 12:42 PM

I recently bought a DVX100B (just arrived last week). I use Premiere 6.5 and was thinking of upgrading to Pro 2.0 because it's the cheapest way to go and I'm familiar with it. But the question is -- does it handle 24P well (basic or advanced 24P)? Or is there a different alternative that I need to be looking at?

Hopefully this question is appropriate for this forum. If not, let me know.

Dale

Barry Green · March 11th, 2006, 03:25 PM

Many of us DVX users migrated to Vegas because of its unparalleled handling of 24P. Vegas + DVX = magic. Vegas offers a free download, so try it and see what you think.

Aaron Koolen · March 11th, 2006, 05:30 PM

Yes vegas is pretty good at the 24P. I'm no longer a PC guy so have my Vegas+DVDA version 5 + Upgrade to 6 (License all fully transferable and you can upgrade etc. Effectively the Vegas Production Suite) for sale if you find Vegas is good for you and want to get it. It's just lying around here now not getting used, so I'll probably flick it for a good price + shipping.

Aaron

Dale Lundy · March 12th, 2006, 01:53 PM

Barry,

Thanks. I will probably download it and try it. I have a Matrox RT.X10 card. Do you know of any compatability issues there? (Although I got the card primarily to capture video from my older analog camcorder, I have used several of the Matrox effects).

What is Vegas' advantage with the DVX that is causing people to switch to it? In general how does it compare with Premiere 6.5?

Aaron, I assume from your post you've gone to a Mac. If I like Vegas, I may be interested. I think you can send an e-mail to me via the members list if you want to talk more offline or I can post my e-mail address. I'm new here so I'm not sure of the best protocol.

Dale

Barry Green · March 13th, 2006, 03:09 AM

Quote:

I have a Matrox RT.X10 card. Do you know of any compatability issues there?

Vegas doesn't use hardware cards at all.

Quote:

What is Vegas' advantage with the DVX that is causing people to switch to it? In general how does it compare with Premiere 6.5?

Oh, that's a loaded question... :)

Vegas is such a superior, faster, better integrated, overall better editing experience than Premiere, it's akin to going from a bicycle to a teleporter. Learn the workflow and you will be very very very happy you left Premiere behind. It's just sooooooo much better. Things can be done in one mouse click that Premiere requires four and five mouse clicks. You'll just be done so much quicker. Try it, work with it, give it a fair chance, and you'll never want to see Premiere again. I say that as having used Premiere from version 4.2 up to 6.0; Premiere Pro is a different app altogether, but 6.5 isn't much different from 6.0 so I think you'll find it very much to your liking. And the audio features of Vegas are stellar.

As for why it works with the DVX -- it just does. It's the best 24p integration of any editor. FCP requires you to go through a separate stage to "remove pulldown"; Vegas just does it on the fly if needed, or doesn't if it's not needed. Vegas has the best 24p support, and the best end-to-end authoring of 24P DVDs. I think the success of the DVX had a lot to do with the migration to Vegas, Vegas just handled the DVX footage so very well that it made 24p editing completely easy and worked just the way you'd want it to.

Saturnin Kondratiew · March 13th, 2006, 03:05 PM

i've been usin pro 1.5 and its been fine, so i'm not sure what the issue is. It all depends on what you preffer! good luck

James Q. Manning · March 13th, 2006, 11:18 PM

Ooooh, I feel so fancy that I can help out somebody :D

FIrst: Premiere Pro - yes, it rocks with 24p. Particularly PANASONIC 24p. It has options in the project settings that specifically state PANASONIC 24P, and lets you choose from WideScreen or Standard, depending on how you shoot.

As for your Matrox R10 - unfortunately, this damn thing doesn't support 24P at ALL. I bought one, not too long ago, thinking how great it would be to have real-time rendering. But, no, since the R10 doesn't do that, now I'm stuck with a card, I'll be selling on Ebay soon, because I NEVER shoot 29.97, only 24p.

So, to answer your questions: Premiere rocks for 24p and the R10 won't work at all with 24p. I've asked them if they plan any support, and they simply ignore me.

I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT VEGAS: Does it allow for the export of OMFI Media Files for integration with ProTools? I'm going to head over and download the demo, since I'm a DVX100 guy, but I'm curious about the sound options. Premiere doesn't support this natively, and as such, I've had to purchase Automatic Duck to make it happen.

Chris Hurd · March 13th, 2006, 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James Q. Manning

I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT VEGAS:

You might have a question about Vegas, but this particular topic concerns 24p on the Panasonic DVX100. Please post a new thread in our Vegas forum, located at http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/forumdisplay.php?f=54. Thanks,

Ash Greyson · March 19th, 2006, 10:45 PM

I use FCP, Vegas and Premiere... all have strong suits. FCP has the most versatile file type options natively, Vegas has great audio tools and Premiere has been VASTLY improved in 1.5 and 2.0 and is a solid contender with great 3rd party plug-ins and a nice workflow. It is 100% personal preference, try them out.

ash =o)

February 21st, 2006, 08:52 PM	#541
Hugh Dorigo New Boot Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: phoenix az Posts: 20	24p editing I am using Final Cut Pro and am trying to capture footage shot in 24p ( not advanced) for editing in a 24p timeline. Apparently advanced mode must be used or it will be captured at 29.97. My question is how can I convert to use this footage with all my other 24pa (23.98) footage in my 24p timeline? Thanks.

February 22nd, 2006, 12:34 PM	#542
Ken Adcox New Boot Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 5	Methinks you'd get more responses if you post this question in the Non-linear Editing on a Mac section of the forum. http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/forumdisplay.php?f=30 You could also take a look at this thread: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=61135 No replies yet, but the topic is similar. __________________ Keep an eye out.

February 23rd, 2006, 07:39 PM	#543
Lyndon Golanowski Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Edmonton, Alberta Posts: 51	Shooting Sporting Event, can't decide 24p or 60i? Hey guy's im shooting an event similiar to UFC (ultimate fighting championship) and I can't decide if I should shoot 24p standard or 60i. What would you guy's think? Planning to go on Pay Per View, DVD etc.

February 23rd, 2006, 09:02 PM	#546
Chris Barcellos Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elk Grove CA Posts: 6,838	Checkout the interview referenced in this thread: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=61357 __________________ Chris J. Barcellos

March 11th, 2006, 12:42 PM	#547
Dale Lundy Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 31	DVX100B 24P Question I recently bought a DVX100B (just arrived last week). I use Premiere 6.5 and was thinking of upgrading to Pro 2.0 because it's the cheapest way to go and I'm familiar with it. But the question is -- does it handle 24P well (basic or advanced 24P)? Or is there a different alternative that I need to be looking at? Hopefully this question is appropriate for this forum. If not, let me know. Dale

February 23rd, 2006, 08:31 PM	#544
Barry Green Barry Wan Kenobi Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,863	Live events are almost invariably shot in 60i or high-def 60p, especially sporting events. If you're doing some sort of documentary about the sport, 24p might be appropriate, but if you're actually shooting the event itself, people are accustomed to seeing those events at 60i or 60p.

February 23rd, 2006, 08:41 PM	#545
Lyndon Golanowski Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Edmonton, Alberta Posts: 51	Thanks Barry, Do you think the DVX100 is an appropriate choice

March 11th, 2006, 03:25 PM	#548
Barry Green Barry Wan Kenobi Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,863	Many of us DVX users migrated to Vegas because of its unparalleled handling of 24P. Vegas + DVX = magic. Vegas offers a free download, so try it and see what you think.

March 11th, 2006, 05:30 PM	#549
Aaron Koolen Trustee Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 1,727	Yes vegas is pretty good at the 24P. I'm no longer a PC guy so have my Vegas+DVDA version 5 + Upgrade to 6 (License all fully transferable and you can upgrade etc. Effectively the Vegas Production Suite) for sale if you find Vegas is good for you and want to get it. It's just lying around here now not getting used, so I'll probably flick it for a good price + shipping. Aaron __________________ My Website Meat Free Media

March 12th, 2006, 01:53 PM	#550
Dale Lundy Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 31	Barry, Thanks. I will probably download it and try it. I have a Matrox RT.X10 card. Do you know of any compatability issues there? (Although I got the card primarily to capture video from my older analog camcorder, I have used several of the Matrox effects). What is Vegas' advantage with the DVX that is causing people to switch to it? In general how does it compare with Premiere 6.5? Aaron, I assume from your post you've gone to a Mac. If I like Vegas, I may be interested. I think you can send an e-mail to me via the members list if you want to talk more offline or I can post my e-mail address. I'm new here so I'm not sure of the best protocol. Dale

March 13th, 2006, 03:05 PM	#552
Saturnin Kondratiew Major Player Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: vancouver Posts: 310	i've been usin pro 1.5 and its been fine, so i'm not sure what the issue is. It all depends on what you preffer! good luck __________________ My documentaries - http://www.asphaltjunkiez.com

March 13th, 2006, 11:18 PM	#553
James Q. Manning New Boot Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Savannah, GA Posts: 12	Ooooh, I feel so fancy that I can help out somebody :D FIrst: Premiere Pro - yes, it rocks with 24p. Particularly PANASONIC 24p. It has options in the project settings that specifically state PANASONIC 24P, and lets you choose from WideScreen or Standard, depending on how you shoot. As for your Matrox R10 - unfortunately, this damn thing doesn't support 24P at ALL. I bought one, not too long ago, thinking how great it would be to have real-time rendering. But, no, since the R10 doesn't do that, now I'm stuck with a card, I'll be selling on Ebay soon, because I NEVER shoot 29.97, only 24p. So, to answer your questions: Premiere rocks for 24p and the R10 won't work at all with 24p. I've asked them if they plan any support, and they simply ignore me. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT VEGAS: Does it allow for the export of OMFI Media Files for integration with ProTools? I'm going to head over and download the demo, since I'm a DVX100 guy, but I'm curious about the sound options. Premiere doesn't support this natively, and as such, I've had to purchase Automatic Duck to make it happen.

March 19th, 2006, 10:45 PM	#555
Ash Greyson Trustee Join Date: May 2003 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 1,689	I use FCP, Vegas and Premiere... all have strong suits. FCP has the most versatile file type options natively, Vegas has great audio tools and Premiere has been VASTLY improved in 1.5 and 2.0 and is a solid contender with great 3rd party plug-ins and a nice workflow. It is 100% personal preference, try them out. ash =o)