Who all here had problems with the DVX100's heads?

Glen Elliott · July 2nd, 2003, 07:19 PM

Peter, the thing is I wasn't just getting droppouts...my footage was ALL messed up! Plus I was getting the flashing red X which means dirty heads?! Drop-outs would be a godsend for me compared to my problem. Hopefully runing the cleaner and switching to MQs will fix it. They are due to arrive tommorrow from UPS. I'll keep you guys posted.

Nick Medrano · July 2nd, 2003, 09:36 PM

These dropout problems are starting to scare me:(

I just spent some hard earned cash on a new DVX100 and now I'm having doubts! Do you think this could be a major problem ??

Stephen van Vuuren · July 2nd, 2003, 09:38 PM

It's not a widespread one. Hundreds, probabably thousands of these are out there, several features and dozens of shorts and docs have already been shot with the cam without this issue showing up as "major problem".

Peter Jefferson · July 3rd, 2003, 10:02 AM

its strange thou, as i have major probs with one of my MX500's having dropouts and distorted audio and video...
BUT after runnign tapes continually, it sems to have stopped teh problem..
I always thought it was the heads that neede lubing from teh tape... as after i ran the cleaner, it worked perfectly...
I gather these 2 cams are running the same DVMechanism considering teh size....

i still havent seen this pop up on the DVX thou..

hope it doesnt...

Peter Richardson · July 3rd, 2003, 12:06 PM

Nick--I woudln't worry too much about the dropouts. Just be sure to use MQ tapes only, def. not something you want to skimp on. I haven't seen anymore dropouts in my stuff, so maybe it's problem solved. A hunch is that part of this is related to the "break in" of the camera, and when using MQ tapes, whcih are "dry lubricants" maybe there is some issue with enough lubrication getting on the heads in the initial break in period. Honestly, I have no idea, just a guess. Anyway, you can find MQ tapes at www.edgewisemedia.com. They carry them for around $5.50 a tape, which is BY FAR the cheapest I have seen.

Peter

Peter Richardson · July 3rd, 2003, 12:08 PM

Glen--It sounds like the problem was the tapes to me, but that's just a guess. Heck, if I've been using the exact perscribed tape from Panasonic and still have intermittent problems, then maybe this cam is just really sensitive to tapes. ANyway, I think the MQ's may be the answer. How much did you pay for yours? I found them at www.edgewisemedia.com for about 5.50 per tape. Any better deal?

Peter

Mark Monciardini · July 8th, 2003, 07:15 AM

Geezz, I'm buying a DVX100 today and I sure hope I don't have anyh of these problems!! If it's a lemon I'm taking it back!

Glen Elliott · July 8th, 2003, 07:19 AM

Make sure you shoot only with Panasonic MQ tapes right off the bat!

Ted Banucci · October 26th, 2003, 09:40 PM

Glenn- I hope you are still receiving subscriptions to this topic. Did the MQ tapes solve your problem? I am having the same issues as you intitially reported...

Also- how long did you run the cleaning tape in the camera to clean it?

Thanks!
Ted

Jeff Donald · October 27th, 2003, 05:23 AM

You must follow the directions on the cleaning tapes exactly. Any deviation from the printed instructions could potentially damage your camera. Do Not clean for more than the recommended time or run the tape more than the directions say.

Peter Jefferson · October 27th, 2003, 06:26 AM

bit of an update following jeffs revival of this, i have found that even using the standard consumer DVM60 tapes does NOT cause a problem IF you FF and RW the tapes...
now this works for me, so i use ye ol DS88 handycam to do this...

I have shot about 80hrs continuously with no dropouts since i started using this method on both the MX500 and DVX.

I have now got my hands on the MQ tapes as business has now started to really pick up.

Even though i am not getting drop outs anymore, i am still wary, and considering the clas of this cam, the extra investment is worthwhile

Marc Martin · October 28th, 2003, 07:53 AM

My AG-DVX100 has only 15 hours on the counter, and this week I had some problems (dirty heads). I use FUJI tapes. I will try JVC tapes today, it's impossible to find Panasonic MQ here in Europe.

Peter Richardson · October 28th, 2003, 12:24 PM

hey guys--Well I have used ONLY MQ tapes in my cam and I STILL had problems with tape dropouts, but they seem to have subsided now. Bottom line, I'd say use MQ for reduced headwear, but don't think that simply switching to them will solve all your problems, as I obviously still had problems with them.

Peter

Marc Young · October 29th, 2003, 04:46 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Peter Richardson : hey guys--Well I have used ONLY MQ tapes in my cam and I STILL had problems with tape dropouts, but they seem to have subsided now.
Peter -->>>

Are these dropouts occuring on normal speed playback or high speed review/cuing? I find that some capture programs (like Scenalyzer) are tough on tape transport mechanisms. Apple's iMovie seems to be the gentlest.

Besides the Panasonic MQ tapes (which they obviously recommend since they manufacture both the camcorder and the tape), why should Sony tapes be bad for the DVX100? I've never had problems with Sony on the PD-150. I like sticking with one brand, and will do so when I get the dvx100 next week, unless someone has solid experience to the contrary.

Ted Banucci · October 29th, 2003, 07:41 PM

Marc,

It doesn't have to do with the tape brand/quality. It has to do with the camera. I've always used TDK tapes just fine in my GL1, even switching tapes. But when I use them in the DVX100, the camera takes a crap all over the tape. Just because your Sony tapes work in your PD150, does not mean that they will work in the DVX100.

And this does not refer to playing back the tape (in reference to your commment about iMovie). It has to do with recording the tape. The camera leaves horizontal stripes all over the recording which is unsalvable.

Ted

July 2nd, 2003, 09:38 PM	#18
Stephen van Vuuren Space Hipster Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 1,508	It's not a widespread one. Hundreds, probabably thousands of these are out there, several features and dozens of shorts and docs have already been shot with the cam without this issue showing up as "major problem". __________________ stephen v2 www.insaturnsrings.com

July 8th, 2003, 07:15 AM	#22
Mark Monciardini Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 158	Geezz, I'm buying a DVX100 today and I sure hope I don't have anyh of these problems!! If it's a lemon I'm taking it back! __________________ Best Regards, Mark T. Monciardini Riverlight Studios www.riverlightstudios.com DVX100/Final Cut Pro 4/Mac G5 Dual 1.8

October 27th, 2003, 05:23 AM	#25
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	You must follow the directions on the cleaning tapes exactly. Any deviation from the printed instructions could potentially damage your camera. Do Not clean for more than the recommended time or run the tape more than the directions say. __________________ Jeff Donald Carpe Diem Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Where to Buy? From the best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

July 2nd, 2003, 07:19 PM	#16
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	Peter, the thing is I wasn't just getting droppouts...my footage was ALL messed up! Plus I was getting the flashing red X which means dirty heads?! Drop-outs would be a godsend for me compared to my problem. Hopefully runing the cleaner and switching to MQs will fix it. They are due to arrive tommorrow from UPS. I'll keep you guys posted.

July 2nd, 2003, 09:36 PM	#17
Nick Medrano Major Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 331	These dropout problems are starting to scare me:( I just spent some hard earned cash on a new DVX100 and now I'm having doubts! Do you think this could be a major problem ??

July 3rd, 2003, 10:02 AM	#19
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	its strange thou, as i have major probs with one of my MX500's having dropouts and distorted audio and video... BUT after runnign tapes continually, it sems to have stopped teh problem.. I always thought it was the heads that neede lubing from teh tape... as after i ran the cleaner, it worked perfectly... I gather these 2 cams are running the same DVMechanism considering teh size.... i still havent seen this pop up on the DVX thou.. hope it doesnt...

July 3rd, 2003, 12:06 PM	#20
Peter Richardson Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 608	Nick--I woudln't worry too much about the dropouts. Just be sure to use MQ tapes only, def. not something you want to skimp on. I haven't seen anymore dropouts in my stuff, so maybe it's problem solved. A hunch is that part of this is related to the "break in" of the camera, and when using MQ tapes, whcih are "dry lubricants" maybe there is some issue with enough lubrication getting on the heads in the initial break in period. Honestly, I have no idea, just a guess. Anyway, you can find MQ tapes at www.edgewisemedia.com. They carry them for around $5.50 a tape, which is BY FAR the cheapest I have seen. Peter

July 3rd, 2003, 12:08 PM	#21
Peter Richardson Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 608	Glen--It sounds like the problem was the tapes to me, but that's just a guess. Heck, if I've been using the exact perscribed tape from Panasonic and still have intermittent problems, then maybe this cam is just really sensitive to tapes. ANyway, I think the MQ's may be the answer. How much did you pay for yours? I found them at www.edgewisemedia.com for about 5.50 per tape. Any better deal? Peter

July 8th, 2003, 07:19 AM	#23
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	Make sure you shoot only with Panasonic MQ tapes right off the bat!

October 26th, 2003, 09:40 PM	#24
Ted Banucci Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: San Jose, CA USA Posts: 27	Glenn- I hope you are still receiving subscriptions to this topic. Did the MQ tapes solve your problem? I am having the same issues as you intitially reported... Also- how long did you run the cleaning tape in the camera to clean it? Thanks! Ted

October 27th, 2003, 06:26 AM	#26
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	bit of an update following jeffs revival of this, i have found that even using the standard consumer DVM60 tapes does NOT cause a problem IF you FF and RW the tapes... now this works for me, so i use ye ol DS88 handycam to do this... I have shot about 80hrs continuously with no dropouts since i started using this method on both the MX500 and DVX. I have now got my hands on the MQ tapes as business has now started to really pick up. Even though i am not getting drop outs anymore, i am still wary, and considering the clas of this cam, the extra investment is worthwhile

October 28th, 2003, 07:53 AM	#27
Marc Martin Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Paris, France Posts: 80	My AG-DVX100 has only 15 hours on the counter, and this week I had some problems (dirty heads). I use FUJI tapes. I will try JVC tapes today, it's impossible to find Panasonic MQ here in Europe.

October 28th, 2003, 12:24 PM	#28
Peter Richardson Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 608	hey guys--Well I have used ONLY MQ tapes in my cam and I STILL had problems with tape dropouts, but they seem to have subsided now. Bottom line, I'd say use MQ for reduced headwear, but don't think that simply switching to them will solve all your problems, as I obviously still had problems with them. Peter

October 29th, 2003, 04:46 PM	#29
Marc Young Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Honolulu, HI Posts: 112	<<<-- Originally posted by Peter Richardson : hey guys--Well I have used ONLY MQ tapes in my cam and I STILL had problems with tape dropouts, but they seem to have subsided now. Peter -->>> Are these dropouts occuring on normal speed playback or high speed review/cuing? I find that some capture programs (like Scenalyzer) are tough on tape transport mechanisms. Apple's iMovie seems to be the gentlest. Besides the Panasonic MQ tapes (which they obviously recommend since they manufacture both the camcorder and the tape), why should Sony tapes be bad for the DVX100? I've never had problems with Sony on the PD-150. I like sticking with one brand, and will do so when I get the dvx100 next week, unless someone has solid experience to the contrary.

October 29th, 2003, 07:41 PM	#30
Ted Banucci Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: San Jose, CA USA Posts: 27	Marc, It doesn't have to do with the tape brand/quality. It has to do with the camera. I've always used TDK tapes just fine in my GL1, even switching tapes. But when I use them in the DVX100, the camera takes a crap all over the tape. Just because your Sony tapes work in your PD150, does not mean that they will work in the DVX100. And this does not refer to playing back the tape (in reference to your commment about iMovie). It has to do with recording the tape. The camera leaves horizontal stripes all over the recording which is unsalvable. Ted