There seems to be a new rumor at DVinfo.net

Frank Granovski · October 26th, 2002, 03:43 AM

There seems to be a new rumor that's just started regarding a USA model for the MX5000---the PV-DV953. Personally, I don't know if this new 953 will be the MX5000. If it is, well, that's good news. Let's just hope it's not going to be stripped down. Keep in mind that in PALsville, the MX300 was replaced with the MX350, and the MX500 is the replacement for the MX350---not the MX300. The source of the rumor is from Robin Liss of www.camcorderinfo.com---Let's hope she is right, this way we won't be left out here in North America, as we have been with both the MX300/0 and MX350/0.

Frank Granovski · November 4th, 2002, 04:51 PM

I just got a response from Pana Pro USA regarding if the new PV-DV953 will be the MX5000. The answer was, "NO." However, this official response does not mean that the won't. 75% of the official responses I've recieved from Pana Pro USA over the years have been erroneous. And personally, I can't understand why Pana USA does this. So, we'll just have to wait and see if Robin's correct.

Frank Granovski · December 6th, 2002, 05:52 AM

I went to camcorderinfo, and couldn't find this article anymore. Maybe it was yanked.

Mark Nicholson · December 8th, 2002, 02:17 AM

http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content...s_10_22_02.htm

Frank Granovski · December 23rd, 2002, 06:50 AM

Thanks, Plasma! I see it's still there. Now I just have wait and see if the cam materializes in the N.A. market. Might be a long wait. I'm still waiting for the N.A. model of the MX3000!

Frank Granovski · January 9th, 2003, 04:13 AM

Looks like Pana USA lied to me, and so now I have to eat my words. I guess next time I'll have to listen to the great robin.

Joe Carney · January 9th, 2003, 12:45 PM

Frank, based on specs it certainly looks like the 953 is the NA version of the MX5000. it would be very nice if we got the same quality stuff they get in Japan. At that price I can get both an NTSC and order the PAL version from the UK and still spend only around 3K. veruh veruh kool.

I will need a PAL version. I've contacted some independent film makers in Wales and we are talking up a project.

Allan Rejoso · January 9th, 2003, 04:55 PM

Yeah, but WHEN?

Frank Granovski · January 9th, 2003, 05:17 PM

When? You mean when is the PV-DV953 coming out? Probably in 3 to 4 months. But I haven't seen the specs yet. It might be stripped down version of the MX5000. That's what Pana USA usually does.

PS: hi, Allan!

Frank Granovski · January 9th, 2003, 05:23 PM

Joe, if you need the PAL version go with Allan or Tim, or buy from Australia:

http://www.cameraaction.com.au

Camera Action is where I bought from. The Jap. PAL version might be cheaper though. Allan, is the Jap. PAL version in English? I think it should be, since the Pana PAL models here are---and they come with a 1 year international warranty.

Yow Cheong Hoe · January 9th, 2003, 07:38 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Frank Granovski : When? You mean when is the PV-DV953 coming out? Probably in 3 to 4 months. But I haven't seen the specs yet. It might be stripped down version of the MX5000. That's what Pana USA usually does.-->>>

You can strip down 1/6" CCD further? In my opinion, to bring the cost down the 500 is pretty badly striped down already. Maybe resolution can be down a little from PAL to NTSC, but what else to strip?

I sure hope you guys are N.A. can get what the rest of the world is getting (and that's not even good enough when it comes to the MX500).

January 10th, 2003, 03:44 AM

Seems like more than a few others feel the same way about the 1/6" CCDs in the MX500(0). Chuckmeister posted letters from users saying that MX3000 looked better. Perhaps in some situations, the 1/4" CCDs with only 460K pixels on each, will out perform 1/6" CCDs with 800K each. The Sony VX2000 only has 380K per CCD, but they are 1/3" in size, and it still creates one of the best images among the mini-DV camcorders. I love my MX3000. It's not the sharpest image available on the market, but the color saturation is by FAR still the best of any camera I've owned. No matter how I adjusted the color correction & filters in the NLE software, when I burned the video to DVD, Canon & Sony footage appears "washed out", lacking color, sort of Gray-Green, but the footage from the little MX3000 holds the color. I can't explain it, but the DVDs just look more vibrant & vivid.

Check out the first letter under User Feedback:
http://www.supervideo.com/MXfeedback.htm

Frank Granovski · January 10th, 2003, 04:31 AM

Oh..., that's you who wrote that letter. I actually went there 2 days ago and read it, and just re-read again now. Really? The MX3000 footage is better? (I'd better keep my MX300.)

Joe Carney · January 10th, 2003, 11:02 AM

Frank, the best price I found on the PAL version is from http://www.nomatica.com - little over 1600 US delivered. They are UK based. They beat every price I've found from the Aus dealers. Sorry. Shipping to England for service isn't much different than shipping to Illinois for US based Pana consumer cams. I would still order the additional batteries, and lenses from Allan.

Turns out the Welsh guys don't like my idea, so I may start working with an Irish outfit. I've never been to Ireland. From what I've seen on line, they have a vibrant independent movie community.

Joe Carney · January 10th, 2003, 11:20 AM

I read those letters too. The guy who complained the loudest wrote back and said it was operator error. And yes shrinking down to 1/6 is to be expected. they get more chips per wafer that way and save money. I think the 1/6 vs 1/4 thing might be overated except for the low light situation.

Still I'm beginning to have second thoughts about this pana. Too much controversy. Even at 1500 US, if the camera sucks, thats 1500 too much. I'll bet it will be at Brands Mart shortly after relaes. Maybe I can look at it then.

getting worried about this.

That JVC dy300 is looking better and better all the time.

October 26th, 2002, 03:43 AM	#1
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	There seems to be a new rumor There seems to be a new rumor that's just started regarding a USA model for the MX5000---the PV-DV953. Personally, I don't know if this new 953 will be the MX5000. If it is, well, that's good news. Let's just hope it's not going to be stripped down. Keep in mind that in PALsville, the MX300 was replaced with the MX350, and the MX500 is the replacement for the MX350---not the MX300. The source of the rumor is from Robin Liss of www.camcorderinfo.com---Let's hope she is right, this way we won't be left out here in North America, as we have been with both the MX300/0 and MX350/0.

December 8th, 2002, 02:17 AM	#4
Mark Nicholson Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Eldorado Hills CA Posts: 68	Here it is. http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content...s_10_22_02.htm

November 4th, 2002, 04:51 PM	#2
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	I just got a response from Pana Pro USA regarding if the new PV-DV953 will be the MX5000. The answer was, "NO." However, this official response does not mean that the won't. 75% of the official responses I've recieved from Pana Pro USA over the years have been erroneous. And personally, I can't understand why Pana USA does this. So, we'll just have to wait and see if Robin's correct.

December 6th, 2002, 05:52 AM	#3
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	I went to camcorderinfo, and couldn't find this article anymore. Maybe it was yanked.

December 23rd, 2002, 06:50 AM	#5
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Thanks, Plasma! I see it's still there. Now I just have wait and see if the cam materializes in the N.A. market. Might be a long wait. I'm still waiting for the N.A. model of the MX3000!

January 9th, 2003, 04:13 AM	#6
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Looks like Pana USA lied to me, and so now I have to eat my words. I guess next time I'll have to listen to the great robin.

January 9th, 2003, 12:45 PM	#7
Joe Carney Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Centreville Va Posts: 1,828	Frank, based on specs it certainly looks like the 953 is the NA version of the MX5000. it would be very nice if we got the same quality stuff they get in Japan. At that price I can get both an NTSC and order the PAL version from the UK and still spend only around 3K. veruh veruh kool. I will need a PAL version. I've contacted some independent film makers in Wales and we are talking up a project.

January 9th, 2003, 04:55 PM	#8
Allan Rejoso Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Tokyo, Japan Posts: 569	Yeah, but WHEN?

January 9th, 2003, 05:17 PM	#9
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	When? You mean when is the PV-DV953 coming out? Probably in 3 to 4 months. But I haven't seen the specs yet. It might be stripped down version of the MX5000. That's what Pana USA usually does. PS: hi, Allan!

January 9th, 2003, 05:23 PM	#10
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Joe, if you need the PAL version go with Allan or Tim, or buy from Australia: http://www.cameraaction.com.au Camera Action is where I bought from. The Jap. PAL version might be cheaper though. Allan, is the Jap. PAL version in English? I think it should be, since the Pana PAL models here are---and they come with a 1 year international warranty.

January 9th, 2003, 07:38 PM	#11
Yow Cheong Hoe Major Player Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Singapore, Passport: Malaysia Posts: 407	<<<-- Originally posted by Frank Granovski : When? You mean when is the PV-DV953 coming out? Probably in 3 to 4 months. But I haven't seen the specs yet. It might be stripped down version of the MX5000. That's what Pana USA usually does.-->>> You can strip down 1/6" CCD further? In my opinion, to bring the cost down the 500 is pretty badly striped down already. Maybe resolution can be down a little from PAL to NTSC, but what else to strip? I sure hope you guys are N.A. can get what the rest of the world is getting (and that's not even good enough when it comes to the MX500).

January 10th, 2003, 03:44 AM	#12
Big Cochino Posts: n/a	Seems like more than a few others feel the same way about the 1/6" CCDs in the MX500(0). Chuckmeister posted letters from users saying that MX3000 looked better. Perhaps in some situations, the 1/4" CCDs with only 460K pixels on each, will out perform 1/6" CCDs with 800K each. The Sony VX2000 only has 380K per CCD, but they are 1/3" in size, and it still creates one of the best images among the mini-DV camcorders. I love my MX3000. It's not the sharpest image available on the market, but the color saturation is by FAR still the best of any camera I've owned. No matter how I adjusted the color correction & filters in the NLE software, when I burned the video to DVD, Canon & Sony footage appears "washed out", lacking color, sort of Gray-Green, but the footage from the little MX3000 holds the color. I can't explain it, but the DVDs just look more vibrant & vivid. Check out the first letter under User Feedback: http://www.supervideo.com/MXfeedback.htm

January 10th, 2003, 04:31 AM	#13
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Oh..., that's you who wrote that letter. I actually went there 2 days ago and read it, and just re-read again now. Really? The MX3000 footage is better? (I'd better keep my MX300.)

January 10th, 2003, 11:02 AM	#14
Joe Carney Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Centreville Va Posts: 1,828	Frank, the best price I found on the PAL version is from http://www.nomatica.com - little over 1600 US delivered. They are UK based. They beat every price I've found from the Aus dealers. Sorry. Shipping to England for service isn't much different than shipping to Illinois for US based Pana consumer cams. I would still order the additional batteries, and lenses from Allan. Turns out the Welsh guys don't like my idea, so I may start working with an Irish outfit. I've never been to Ireland. From what I've seen on line, they have a vibrant independent movie community.

January 10th, 2003, 11:20 AM	#15
Joe Carney Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Centreville Va Posts: 1,828	I read those letters too. The guy who complained the loudest wrote back and said it was operator error. And yes shrinking down to 1/6 is to be expected. they get more chips per wafer that way and save money. I think the 1/6 vs 1/4 thing might be overated except for the low light situation. Still I'm beginning to have second thoughts about this pana. Too much controversy. Even at 1500 US, if the camera sucks, thats 1500 too much. I'll bet it will be at Brands Mart shortly after relaes. Maybe I can look at it then. getting worried about this. That JVC dy300 is looking better and better all the time.