GS400 review with 16:9 clip

Mikhail Transact · July 22nd, 2004, 08:22 AM

11 videoclips by GS400 (NTSC).
You saw it? I am very impressed.

Dennis Vogel · July 22nd, 2004, 02:44 PM

This guy's site is getting swamped and is in danger of exceeding the bandwidth limit he has. If you want to look at the videos, do the guy a favor and download them (right click, save target as) instead of streaming them. Many folks are looking at them repeatedley and running up the meter.

Be kind, rewind, er, or something like that!

Dennis Vogel

Steve Nunez · July 24th, 2004, 06:04 PM

I get nothing-

Tommy Haupfear · July 24th, 2004, 06:14 PM

Steve, Guy's website has exceeded its monthly bandwidth and the video clips will be back on August 1st.

Quote:

FortVir really appreciates your interest in the video clips and pictures in our albums. However, the site has exceeded its inital alloted bandwidth and is about to exceed its extended bandwidth. So, I have temporarily removed access to the albums to conserve remaining bandwidth. The gallery will be back up on August 1.

A big thanks to Guy and his informative site. Its amazing how much bandwidth us video guys can go thru!

Mark Kubat · July 24th, 2004, 06:58 PM

see one of the other threads. Guy has announced that he will no longer offer the clips as per Chris Hurd's urging. Apparently, everyone in the Canon camp is soooo nervous that the GS400 is providing such excellent image quality (690K x 3ccd EFFECTIVE video on 1/4.7" chips), there is a fear that no one will buy the XL2 when they can get 3 or 4 GS400's instead for the same money... er, isn't that the reason, fellas? :) Oh yeah, and some other baloney about intellectual property, copyright issues.

There is already a testimonial out of Japan that the normal, auto mode 60i 4:3 image quality of the GS400 beats that of the DVC30 hands-down.

And the procinema 30p frame mode is said to be "amazing."

We are patiently awaiting Japanese and UK GS400 owners who already have the camera in hand to post some clips somewhere and offer first-hand reports... But they have been so busy being blown away having fun using the camera, they don't have time to come here to read up on posts from the likes of myself who has to wait until the end of August to get one in his hands unless I take a trip to Europe or Japan!

Kaku Ito · July 24th, 2004, 07:13 PM

The normal 4:3 image of GS400 being superior to DVC30 might be right. That is the impression I got comparing the two. There's a huge operation ability differences between the two, but the image quality difference beats the few inconveniences on GS400.

I finished capturing the video from GS100 and GS400 and now on DVC30, so wait a while. The clips may be reay tonight. What would be the ideal file size for everybody (at least most of you) prefer to download?
The maximum throughput I have is about 30Mbps.

<<<-- Originally posted by Mark Kubat : see one of the other threads. Guy has announced that he will no longer offer the clips as per Chris Hurd's urging. Apparently, everyone in the Canon camp is soooo nervous that the GS400 is providing such excellent image quality (690K x 3ccd EFFECTIVE video on 1/4.7" chips), there is a fear that no one will buy the XL2 when they can get 3 or 4 GS400's instead for the same money... er, isn't that the reason, fellas? :) Oh yeah, and some other baloney about intellectual property, copyright issues.

There is already a testimonial out of Japan that the normal, auto mode 60i 4:3 image quality of the GS400 beats that of the DVC30 hands-down.

And the procinema 30p frame mode is said to be "amazing."

We are patiently awaiting Japanese and UK GS400 owners who already have the camera in hand to post some clips somewhere and offer first-hand reports... But they have been so busy being blown away having fun using the camera, they don't have time to come here to read up on posts from the likes of myself who has to wait until the end of August to get one in his hands unless I take a trip to Europe or Japan! -->>>

Mark Kubat · July 24th, 2004, 07:20 PM

Kaku, thank you for your reply!

Your feedback is exciting - wow - I was impressed by the DVC30, so if this GS400 turns out to actually be better...

A hiqh-quality clip makes the most sense because anything with quality compromised sort of defeats the purpose - even if it was only avail. as a zip for us to download and view locally, that might be the better option - you are sure to have a lot of interest!

How is the procinema mode 30p?

Mark Kubat · July 24th, 2004, 07:25 PM

Kaku, thank you for your reply!

Your feedback is exciting - wow - I was impressed by the DVC30, so if this GS400 turns out to actually be better...

A hiqh-quality clip makes the most sense because anything with quality compromised sort of defeats the purpose - even if it was only avail. as a zip for us to download and view locally, that might be the better option - you are sure to have a lot of interest!

How is the procinema mode 30p?

Guy Bruner · July 24th, 2004, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Guy has announced that he will no longer offer the clips as per Chris Hurd's urging.

Chris didn't "urge" me to do anything. I told him that I didn't have a copyright release and would not be putting the videos back up. He rightly declined to post them. Chris has generously offered to host video from the GS400 that doesn't have copyright issues. If you have some footage, please let him know. I, too, look forward to seeing more examples of what this cam can do.

Mark Kubat · July 24th, 2004, 07:47 PM

Hence the smiley!

Please take no offense - although, I have to confess, I streamed more than my fair share from www.fortvir.net in light of being so excited by the clips you had kindly provided.

How very prudent of you guys to recognize the copyright issue - looks like we'll have to wait for first-hand clips via the likes of Kaku...

Guy, your albums were incredible in the sense of how they truly offered people here in North America a sneak peak - especially compared to the HC1000 etc.

I'm sure I am not alone when I say thank you - right now, Panasonic will more than likely be having more than one GS400 purchase from me when the time comes thanks to what I saw at www.fortvir.net - especially those "extra" clips more recently offered ever so briefly...

Guy, can you maybe come up with some instructions how we can all safely spray-paint our GS400s to be black?

Cheers!

Guy Bruner · July 24th, 2004, 08:07 PM

Thanks for the kind words, Mark. Maybe I'll have some more videos, not copyrighted, when I get my bandwidth back in August.

Kaku,
I suggest encoding the files in WMV 9 at 1 Mbps, 720x480, but keep the file size around 3 MB. 30 Mbps is going to be pretty slow and the demand is highly likely to be immense (based on experience). I really encourage you to contact Chris. He said he has plenty of bandwidth for video.

BTW, there are pictures of the PAL GS400 down near the bottom of this thread.

Kaku Ito · July 24th, 2004, 08:15 PM

another way is to store the files on my dotMac site. But I will have to purchase extra disk space.

<<<-- Originally posted by Guy Bruner : Thanks for the kind words, Mark. Maybe I'll have some more videos, not copyrighted, when I get my bandwidth back in August.

Kaku,
I suggest encoding the files in WMV 9 at 1 Mbps, 720x480, but keep the file size around 3 MB. 30 Mbps is going to be pretty slow and the demand is highly likely to be immense (based on experience). I really encourage you to contact Chris. He said he has plenty of bandwidth for video.

BTW, there are pictures of the PAL GS400 down near the bottom of this thread. -->>>

Rokta Bija · July 24th, 2004, 09:57 PM

If all else fails there is always the Usenet (News groups). Could put them in a group like alt.binaries.mpeg

By the way, the Japan site has the 360 degree animation running now.

http://panasonic.jp/dvc/gs400k/

Allan Rejoso · July 25th, 2004, 03:54 AM

Thing is, the samples next month would be pitting procinema/progressive/cinematic samples taken using the new Canon XL2, the Pany GS400 and DVX100 and the Sony350 :-) :-( :-) :-(.

For visitors in Japan after August 20, try to get a copy of Digital Video No. 9.

Ok gotta catch my flight. see you guys from an internet cafe somewhere :-)

Rokta Bija · July 25th, 2004, 10:45 PM

Looks like Robin Liss is going to post a review about the GS400 tomorrow on camcorderinfo. Check out what she said so far.

http://www.camcorderinfo.com/bbs/t104963.html

July 22nd, 2004, 08:22 AM	#16
Mikhail Transact Regular Crew Join Date: May 2004 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 60	11 videoclips by GS400 (NTSC). You saw it? I am very impressed. __________________ Mikhail

July 24th, 2004, 06:04 PM	#18
Steve Nunez Trustee Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Pembroke Pines, Florida Posts: 1,418	I get nothing- __________________ Steve Nunez-New York City www.stevenunez.com

July 24th, 2004, 06:58 PM	#20
Mark Kubat Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 375	No, we won't see those clips again - here's why... see one of the other threads. Guy has announced that he will no longer offer the clips as per Chris Hurd's urging. Apparently, everyone in the Canon camp is soooo nervous that the GS400 is providing such excellent image quality (690K x 3ccd EFFECTIVE video on 1/4.7" chips), there is a fear that no one will buy the XL2 when they can get 3 or 4 GS400's instead for the same money... er, isn't that the reason, fellas? :) Oh yeah, and some other baloney about intellectual property, copyright issues. There is already a testimonial out of Japan that the normal, auto mode 60i 4:3 image quality of the GS400 beats that of the DVC30 hands-down. And the procinema 30p frame mode is said to be "amazing." We are patiently awaiting Japanese and UK GS400 owners who already have the camera in hand to post some clips somewhere and offer first-hand reports... But they have been so busy being blown away having fun using the camera, they don't have time to come here to read up on posts from the likes of myself who has to wait until the end of August to get one in his hands unless I take a trip to Europe or Japan!

July 24th, 2004, 07:13 PM	#21
Kaku Ito Trustee Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo Posts: 1,382	Re: No, we won't see those clips again - here's why... The normal 4:3 image of GS400 being superior to DVC30 might be right. That is the impression I got comparing the two. There's a huge operation ability differences between the two, but the image quality difference beats the few inconveniences on GS400. I finished capturing the video from GS100 and GS400 and now on DVC30, so wait a while. The clips may be reay tonight. What would be the ideal file size for everybody (at least most of you) prefer to download? The maximum throughput I have is about 30Mbps. <<<-- Originally posted by Mark Kubat : see one of the other threads. Guy has announced that he will no longer offer the clips as per Chris Hurd's urging. Apparently, everyone in the Canon camp is soooo nervous that the GS400 is providing such excellent image quality (690K x 3ccd EFFECTIVE video on 1/4.7" chips), there is a fear that no one will buy the XL2 when they can get 3 or 4 GS400's instead for the same money... er, isn't that the reason, fellas? :) Oh yeah, and some other baloney about intellectual property, copyright issues. There is already a testimonial out of Japan that the normal, auto mode 60i 4:3 image quality of the GS400 beats that of the DVC30 hands-down. And the procinema 30p frame mode is said to be "amazing." We are patiently awaiting Japanese and UK GS400 owners who already have the camera in hand to post some clips somewhere and offer first-hand reports... But they have been so busy being blown away having fun using the camera, they don't have time to come here to read up on posts from the likes of myself who has to wait until the end of August to get one in his hands unless I take a trip to Europe or Japan! -->>>

July 24th, 2004, 07:20 PM	#22
Mark Kubat Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 375	Kaku, thank you! Kaku, thank you for your reply! Your feedback is exciting - wow - I was impressed by the DVC30, so if this GS400 turns out to actually be better... A hiqh-quality clip makes the most sense because anything with quality compromised sort of defeats the purpose - even if it was only avail. as a zip for us to download and view locally, that might be the better option - you are sure to have a lot of interest! How is the procinema mode 30p?

July 22nd, 2004, 02:44 PM	#17
Dennis Vogel Major Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hillsborough, NC Posts: 409	This guy's site is getting swamped and is in danger of exceeding the bandwidth limit he has. If you want to look at the videos, do the guy a favor and download them (right click, save target as) instead of streaming them. Many folks are looking at them repeatedley and running up the meter. Be kind, rewind, er, or something like that! Dennis Vogel

July 24th, 2004, 07:25 PM	#23
Mark Kubat Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 375	Kaku, thank you! Kaku, thank you for your reply! Your feedback is exciting - wow - I was impressed by the DVC30, so if this GS400 turns out to actually be better... A hiqh-quality clip makes the most sense because anything with quality compromised sort of defeats the purpose - even if it was only avail. as a zip for us to download and view locally, that might be the better option - you are sure to have a lot of interest! How is the procinema mode 30p?

July 24th, 2004, 07:47 PM	#25
Mark Kubat Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 375	Guy, I was trying to be funny! Hence the smiley! Please take no offense - although, I have to confess, I streamed more than my fair share from www.fortvir.net in light of being so excited by the clips you had kindly provided. How very prudent of you guys to recognize the copyright issue - looks like we'll have to wait for first-hand clips via the likes of Kaku... Guy, your albums were incredible in the sense of how they truly offered people here in North America a sneak peak - especially compared to the HC1000 etc. I'm sure I am not alone when I say thank you - right now, Panasonic will more than likely be having more than one GS400 purchase from me when the time comes thanks to what I saw at www.fortvir.net - especially those "extra" clips more recently offered ever so briefly... Guy, can you maybe come up with some instructions how we can all safely spray-paint our GS400s to be black? Cheers!

July 24th, 2004, 08:07 PM	#26
Guy Bruner Major Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Ashford, AL Posts: 937	Thanks for the kind words, Mark. Maybe I'll have some more videos, not copyrighted, when I get my bandwidth back in August. Kaku, I suggest encoding the files in WMV 9 at 1 Mbps, 720x480, but keep the file size around 3 MB. 30 Mbps is going to be pretty slow and the demand is highly likely to be immense (based on experience). I really encourage you to contact Chris. He said he has plenty of bandwidth for video. BTW, there are pictures of the PAL GS400 down near the bottom of this thread.

July 24th, 2004, 08:15 PM	#27
Kaku Ito Trustee Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo Posts: 1,382	another way is to store the files on my dotMac site. But I will have to purchase extra disk space. <<<-- Originally posted by Guy Bruner : Thanks for the kind words, Mark. Maybe I'll have some more videos, not copyrighted, when I get my bandwidth back in August. Kaku, I suggest encoding the files in WMV 9 at 1 Mbps, 720x480, but keep the file size around 3 MB. 30 Mbps is going to be pretty slow and the demand is highly likely to be immense (based on experience). I really encourage you to contact Chris. He said he has plenty of bandwidth for video. BTW, there are pictures of the PAL GS400 down near the bottom of this thread. -->>>

July 24th, 2004, 09:57 PM	#28
Rokta Bija Regular Crew Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 61	If all else fails there is always the Usenet (News groups). Could put them in a group like alt.binaries.mpeg By the way, the Japan site has the 360 degree animation running now. http://panasonic.jp/dvc/gs400k/

July 25th, 2004, 03:54 AM	#29
Allan Rejoso Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Tokyo, Japan Posts: 569	Thing is, the samples next month would be pitting procinema/progressive/cinematic samples taken using the new Canon XL2, the Pany GS400 and DVX100 and the Sony350 :-) :-( :-) :-(. For visitors in Japan after August 20, try to get a copy of Digital Video No. 9. Ok gotta catch my flight. see you guys from an internet cafe somewhere :-)

July 25th, 2004, 10:45 PM	#30
Rokta Bija Regular Crew Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 61	Looks like Robin Liss is going to post a review about the GS400 tomorrow on camcorderinfo. Check out what she said so far. http://www.camcorderinfo.com/bbs/t104963.html