Creating Titles in the .TTL format for title-mix at DVinfo.net

Jesse Bekas · May 31st, 2004, 12:13 PM

Hi fellas. I have a PV-DV851. This model is from the year before they included "Cinema" mode on all the Pana's and therefore it doesn't have ANY widrescreen mode. You can, however, add a title from the SD card to overlap the frame while shooting video. I intend to create black bars as a title file in both 2.35:1, and 1.85:1 aspect ratios on my computer, put them in the titles folder section on my SD card, and overlay them on the video as I shoot (easier for me than electrical taping the LCD and doing it later in post).

The format for titles is some proprietary crap, though, with a .TTL extension. The only way to create the image files, so far as I can tell, is by using the camcorders title create ability, in which I have to actually shoot a still of a picture of black bars. Doing this, my aspect ratios will not come out exactly right (or even close for that matter). Anybody that can help me create .TTL image files on my computer using any software would be doing me a great service. Any replies on title-mixing, .TTL exstensions, etc... are welcome.

BTW - I think when the cam uses titles, it automatically keys out RGB 000 (true black), so I don't think the image file I want to create needs an alpha channel.

Tommy Haupfear · May 31st, 2004, 12:44 PM

While the below posts cover Canon and Title Mix I see mention on creating TTL images.

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/search.ph...der=descending

Jesse Bekas · May 31st, 2004, 02:56 PM

I have read up on title mixing Canon tutorial. The problem is creating the titles in the Pana proprietary format using .TTL extensions outside of the camcorder. The Canon uses JPEGs for titling functions, which are easy to create. There was one other thread about not being able to create .TTL that was about 18 months old, and I thought somebody may have come up with something new since then...maybe not?

Jamie Patterson · May 31st, 2004, 05:41 PM

I posted a few months ago trying to find out something similar, and have still had no luck. Seems like nobody knows how to do it. I've tried all sorts of experimenting in photoshop with different formats, but nothing works.

Tommy Haupfear · May 31st, 2004, 08:21 PM

I tried exporting a few TTL files to the PC but had no luck. It does appear that all titles must be created in-camera. Thats ridiculous!

I guess you could mask off the LCD/VF and edit in post?

Jesse Bekas · May 31st, 2004, 10:45 PM

I've emailed Panasonic about it, and I'm sure they're not gonna give any worthwhile info. I guess I will just have to tape off the LCD and do it in post. If anybody else out there is having this problem or a similar one, email Panasonic support and tell them that you're disgruntled with things like this non-reproducable title format taking away from the intended design you paid for...I know that sounds stupid but for anybody that hasn't encountered such a problem, it's really frustrating to be so close to unlocking more potential for usability of your valued cam.

Jesse Bekas · June 25th, 2004, 03:21 PM

This finally came from Pana's Lab yesterday...

Re:
Thank you for your patience while waiting for a reply regarding your
Panasonic PVDV851. We received information on the PVDV851 this morning. We
have already provided information on the ASA rating, which is equal to
100. Panasonic does not provide software for creating Titles on a PC. We
are sorry but we are not able to provide information regarding the
contents of the Title file format (*.TTL) used for the title files.

Thank You,
Panasonic Consumer Support

...There has to be some way around this. Notice they say Panasonic doesn't have software to do it. Doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. Anybody still looking elsewhere?

Jesse Bekas · June 28th, 2004, 11:17 PM

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5768&highlight=.ttl

Others have already gone thru this with the Canon GL2 and solved the problem on this site! The solution is in a streaming tutorial video that can be found toward the end of this thread. I tried it and it worked. Good luck...

Lea Lisa · June 29th, 2004, 12:25 AM

Hi Jesse!

Did you change the extension from JPG to TTL on your memorycard? - i checked the video but it didnt work - my DV953 could not recognize it

/Lea Lisa

Jesse Bekas · June 29th, 2004, 12:28 AM

I actually left it in the .JPG extension. Try leaving it and tell me what happens. My AIM name is phatkodiak

Lea Lisa · June 29th, 2004, 12:50 AM

If i use the JPG extension it will not show up when i press title
on my DV953 - if i change the extension to TTL it shows up with a red cross on it -not a valid title picture...

How did you make it work?

Thanx ; )

Jesse Bekas · June 29th, 2004, 12:54 AM

When you name the file to put on the card make sure you name it as USR0000_.JPG . Where I left the underscore you need to put any digit. If that doesn't work I can't tell you what will. The tutorial worked for me and I followed it to the T. I wish I could be of more help, but that tutorial is the only thing I've found that worked so far.

By the way, I tried doing this before with microsoft paint and it didn't work. For some reason the Photoshop Jpeg's do work. I don't know if it's the only program you can use, but I'd doubt it is.

Lea Lisa · June 29th, 2004, 01:04 AM

Just to be sure, you put the jpg picture in:
Private/Vtf/Title/ on your memory card?

I tried your USR00002.JPG filename but it didnt work

Jesse Bekas · June 29th, 2004, 01:07 AM

That is where I'm saving them. This fix was originally created to support the Canon GL2, and my cam (PV-DV851) is from around the same time. Maybe Pana changed something in last years models? What program are you using to create these images files?

Lea Lisa · June 29th, 2004, 01:11 AM

I use Photoshop elements -is it possible for you to upload or attach a working jpg? -then we could see if pana mabye changed somethings

thanx!

May 31st, 2004, 12:13 PM	#1
Jesse Bekas Major Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Ridgefield Park, New Jersey, USA Posts: 572	Creating Titles in the .TTL format for title-mix Hi fellas. I have a PV-DV851. This model is from the year before they included "Cinema" mode on all the Pana's and therefore it doesn't have ANY widrescreen mode. You can, however, add a title from the SD card to overlap the frame while shooting video. I intend to create black bars as a title file in both 2.35:1, and 1.85:1 aspect ratios on my computer, put them in the titles folder section on my SD card, and overlay them on the video as I shoot (easier for me than electrical taping the LCD and doing it later in post). The format for titles is some proprietary crap, though, with a .TTL extension. The only way to create the image files, so far as I can tell, is by using the camcorders title create ability, in which I have to actually shoot a still of a picture of black bars. Doing this, my aspect ratios will not come out exactly right (or even close for that matter). Anybody that can help me create .TTL image files on my computer using any software would be doing me a great service. Any replies on title-mixing, .TTL exstensions, etc... are welcome. BTW - I think when the cam uses titles, it automatically keys out RGB 000 (true black), so I don't think the image file I want to create needs an alpha channel.

June 25th, 2004, 03:21 PM	#7
Jesse Bekas Major Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Ridgefield Park, New Jersey, USA Posts: 572	Panasonic's Reply This finally came from Pana's Lab yesterday... Re: Thank you for your patience while waiting for a reply regarding your Panasonic PVDV851. We received information on the PVDV851 this morning. We have already provided information on the ASA rating, which is equal to 100. Panasonic does not provide software for creating Titles on a PC. We are sorry but we are not able to provide information regarding the contents of the Title file format (*.TTL) used for the title files. Thank You, Panasonic Consumer Support ...There has to be some way around this. Notice they say Panasonic doesn't have software to do it. Doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. Anybody still looking elsewhere?

June 29th, 2004, 12:25 AM	#9
Lea Lisa New Boot Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 13	TTL Hi Jesse! Did you change the extension from JPG to TTL on your memorycard? - i checked the video but it didnt work - my DV953 could not recognize it /Lea Lisa

May 31st, 2004, 12:44 PM	#2
Tommy Haupfear Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 1,415	While the below posts cover Canon and Title Mix I see mention on creating TTL images. http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/search.ph...der=descending

May 31st, 2004, 02:56 PM	#3
Jesse Bekas Major Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Ridgefield Park, New Jersey, USA Posts: 572	I have read up on title mixing Canon tutorial. The problem is creating the titles in the Pana proprietary format using .TTL extensions outside of the camcorder. The Canon uses JPEGs for titling functions, which are easy to create. There was one other thread about not being able to create .TTL that was about 18 months old, and I thought somebody may have come up with something new since then...maybe not?

May 31st, 2004, 05:41 PM	#4
Jamie Patterson Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 31	I posted a few months ago trying to find out something similar, and have still had no luck. Seems like nobody knows how to do it. I've tried all sorts of experimenting in photoshop with different formats, but nothing works.

May 31st, 2004, 08:21 PM	#5
Tommy Haupfear Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 1,415	I tried exporting a few TTL files to the PC but had no luck. It does appear that all titles must be created in-camera. Thats ridiculous! I guess you could mask off the LCD/VF and edit in post?

May 31st, 2004, 10:45 PM	#6
Jesse Bekas Major Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Ridgefield Park, New Jersey, USA Posts: 572	I've emailed Panasonic about it, and I'm sure they're not gonna give any worthwhile info. I guess I will just have to tape off the LCD and do it in post. If anybody else out there is having this problem or a similar one, email Panasonic support and tell them that you're disgruntled with things like this non-reproducable title format taking away from the intended design you paid for...I know that sounds stupid but for anybody that hasn't encountered such a problem, it's really frustrating to be so close to unlocking more potential for usability of your valued cam.

June 28th, 2004, 11:17 PM	#8
Jesse Bekas Major Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Ridgefield Park, New Jersey, USA Posts: 572	http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5768&highlight=.ttl Others have already gone thru this with the Canon GL2 and solved the problem on this site! The solution is in a streaming tutorial video that can be found toward the end of this thread. I tried it and it worked. Good luck...

June 29th, 2004, 12:28 AM	#10
Jesse Bekas Major Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Ridgefield Park, New Jersey, USA Posts: 572	I actually left it in the .JPG extension. Try leaving it and tell me what happens. My AIM name is phatkodiak

June 29th, 2004, 12:50 AM	#11
Lea Lisa New Boot Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 13	If i use the JPG extension it will not show up when i press title on my DV953 - if i change the extension to TTL it shows up with a red cross on it -not a valid title picture... How did you make it work? Thanx ; )

June 29th, 2004, 12:54 AM	#12
Jesse Bekas Major Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Ridgefield Park, New Jersey, USA Posts: 572	When you name the file to put on the card make sure you name it as USR0000_.JPG . Where I left the underscore you need to put any digit. If that doesn't work I can't tell you what will. The tutorial worked for me and I followed it to the T. I wish I could be of more help, but that tutorial is the only thing I've found that worked so far. By the way, I tried doing this before with microsoft paint and it didn't work. For some reason the Photoshop Jpeg's do work. I don't know if it's the only program you can use, but I'd doubt it is.

June 29th, 2004, 01:04 AM	#13
Lea Lisa New Boot Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 13	Just to be sure, you put the jpg picture in: Private/Vtf/Title/ on your memory card? I tried your USR00002.JPG filename but it didnt work

June 29th, 2004, 01:07 AM	#14
Jesse Bekas Major Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Ridgefield Park, New Jersey, USA Posts: 572	That is where I'm saving them. This fix was originally created to support the Canon GL2, and my cam (PV-DV851) is from around the same time. Maybe Pana changed something in last years models? What program are you using to create these images files?

June 29th, 2004, 01:11 AM	#15
Lea Lisa New Boot Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 13	I use Photoshop elements -is it possible for you to upload or attach a working jpg? -then we could see if pana mabye changed somethings thanx!