Reason for GS400 delay at DVinfo.net

Frank Granovski · May 12th, 2004, 08:58 PM

No more specs are being released because GS400 production is being continually delayed. Pana marketing everywhere has not received any information except the few basics I already posted. Only the factory knows what's up and they want to keep it a secret. The Pana factory is cetrainly up to something big and this something might just be the second coming, the first being the MX3000, or maybe the EZ1. :-))

Bryan Beasleigh · May 12th, 2004, 09:42 PM

A vapourcam?

Frank Granovski · May 12th, 2004, 09:50 PM

No. They don't want to let the cat out of the bag until the right time or they're having technical difficulties. Bryan, I got this from Pana today.

Patricia Kim · May 12th, 2004, 11:37 PM

Maybe they went back to the drawing boards because someone pointed out they were using the number 4. Remember how the mx series skipped 4000 (and 400 in PAL land) because 4 is unlucky? Time to revamp all those brochures, all the stamps for the model numbers to be imprinted on the cams, all printed materials, etc. And ooh, boy, what about that planned July 4 release. Uh, oh, somebody is about to be exiled to a seat by the window...

Frank Granovski · May 13th, 2004, 12:24 AM

In Canada it's July 1st. :-))

So why was there a JVC GR-DV4000U? It didn't sell well, by the way.

I guess I'll be stuck with puffed-plastic a little longer. Hopefully, Pana will have fixed the lux while keeping the high resolution. Tommy run n gun's gonna wait. I can too! :-))

Patricia Kim · May 13th, 2004, 01:12 AM

"So why was there a JVC GR-DV4000U? It didn't sell well, by the way." There you go, Frank. Matsushita owns both Panasonic and JVC, right? Same thought surfaced at the top when news of the gs400 finally filtered up (we know how long it takes bad news to filter up) and an executive decision was made that no way were they going to go with the number 4 again. Of course, this is all speculation... darn. But ask Allan about the number 4 in Japan. You never buy or give things in 4s (it's very weird for a Westerner, though, for things to come in sets of three or five). -- Actually, in the condo building I lived in previously in Hawaii, there was one apartment on the top floor with a very nice ocean view. It was on the 13th floor, which was a deterrent to purchase by Westerners, so there was no 13th floor in the building officially. Unfortunately, it was then numbered 1404, which meant the person who bought it in the hopes of resale to a wealthy Japanese purchaser just had no takers. Talk about going by the numbers...

Frank Granovski · May 13th, 2004, 01:35 AM

Numbers don't mean a think to me except the number, 50.

Robert Knecht Schmidt · May 13th, 2004, 01:49 AM

My guess is a durability test rendered the determination that the camera wasn't suited to the rigors of daily run 'n' gun usage. (Likely, Panasonic recently determined from the volume of calls to a customer service center that this application would constitute the camera's primary market.)

Allan Rejoso · May 13th, 2004, 01:57 AM

I don't think GS400 is delayed. The speculations and incomplete specs are simply too early :-))

Pany usually releases its top of the line consumer cam in summer (northern hemisphere). So July is just on time.

4 is shi in Japanese which means death (no good da ne). The DV4000 was never released in Japan. We had the DV5000 instead :-)) but it didn't sell that well..probably too big and too pokerish.

Patricia Kim · May 13th, 2004, 02:00 AM

What about 3 as in 1/3" or 3 ccds? 0 as in lux? 1mp? 16x9? 43mm? 18db gain? 16-bit recording? Yes, I've just figured out the real problem I have with cams. I am not good with numbers, and cams are all about numbers. -- BTW, as a friend said when asked how it felt to turn 40, "It's better than the alternative." Same holds for 50.-- Maybe Pansonic's reason for delaying info about the gs whatever will all come down to the numbers - dollars and yen. Whatever. Just give us a good product at the end of it all, Panasonic, and all will be forgiven. (Was that stream of conscious enough? Good. Time to go listen to some music.)

Allan Rejoso · May 13th, 2004, 02:07 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Patricia Kim : What about 3 as in 1/3" or 3 ccds? 0 as in lux? 1mp? 16x9? 43mm? 18db gain? 16-bit recording?

Nice numbers indeed, but how many percent of the potential market is actually willing to pay 2 as in around 2000 dollars for a consumer cam?

Frank Granovski · May 13th, 2004, 02:10 AM

Allan, Panasonic has told me just today that it has been delayed yet once again...perhaps to accomodate a Japanese only Black Mamba II? (Some business for you?)

3 is more than 2, and 4 is more than 3---except with fractions. More is always better.

Robert, you probably hit the nail on the head. :-))

Frank Granovski · May 13th, 2004, 02:15 AM

Quote:

Nice numbers indeed, but how many percent of the potential market is actually willing to pay 2 as in around 2000 dollars for a consumer cam?

This would depend on the design and quality of the cam.

George Beck · May 13th, 2004, 07:27 AM

Allan - quote
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4 is shi in Japanese which means death
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I don't want to go political on you.. but... you know.. that makes sense.... 4th of July =)
as this may be the american release date too...
and.. again... GS400

no mercy ;-)

Kamal Tailor · May 13th, 2004, 07:27 AM

you know making a black version isn't that hard, all they do is send the body and panels off to the Anodising ppl b4 it gets built

if your really keen you could take one a part yourself and make yourself a funky Ti or Red coloured one

in a high gloss or matt finish

in Japan they released a pearl white version of one of the cameras i think it was the GS200, they had a black, silver and a pearl white, Allen would probably have to confirm that but i'm pretty sure one of them did, i know the GS55 came out in a quite a few colours

and a white, Ti or Black camera would look very sexy

oooer baby!
hehehe

May 12th, 2004, 08:58 PM	#1
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Reason for GS400 delay No more specs are being released because GS400 production is being continually delayed. Pana marketing everywhere has not received any information except the few basics I already posted. Only the factory knows what's up and they want to keep it a secret. The Pana factory is cetrainly up to something big and this something might just be the second coming, the first being the MX3000, or maybe the EZ1. :-))

May 12th, 2004, 09:42 PM	#2
Bryan Beasleigh Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Barrie, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,922	A vapourcam? __________________ Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting ".......holy smokin rubber lips...what a ride!"

May 13th, 2004, 01:49 AM	#8
Robert Knecht Schmidt Wrangler Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,933	My guess is a durability test rendered the determination that the camera wasn't suited to the rigors of daily run 'n' gun usage. (Likely, Panasonic recently determined from the volume of calls to a customer service center that this application would constitute the camera's primary market.) __________________ All the best, Robert K S Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| The best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

May 12th, 2004, 09:50 PM	#3
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	No. They don't want to let the cat out of the bag until the right time or they're having technical difficulties. Bryan, I got this from Pana today.

May 12th, 2004, 11:37 PM	#4
Patricia Kim Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Honolulu, Hawaii Posts: 453	Maybe they went back to the drawing boards because someone pointed out they were using the number 4. Remember how the mx series skipped 4000 (and 400 in PAL land) because 4 is unlucky? Time to revamp all those brochures, all the stamps for the model numbers to be imprinted on the cams, all printed materials, etc. And ooh, boy, what about that planned July 4 release. Uh, oh, somebody is about to be exiled to a seat by the window...

May 13th, 2004, 12:24 AM	#5
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	In Canada it's July 1st. :-)) So why was there a JVC GR-DV4000U? It didn't sell well, by the way. I guess I'll be stuck with puffed-plastic a little longer. Hopefully, Pana will have fixed the lux while keeping the high resolution. Tommy run n gun's gonna wait. I can too! :-))

May 13th, 2004, 01:12 AM	#6
Patricia Kim Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Honolulu, Hawaii Posts: 453	"So why was there a JVC GR-DV4000U? It didn't sell well, by the way." There you go, Frank. Matsushita owns both Panasonic and JVC, right? Same thought surfaced at the top when news of the gs400 finally filtered up (we know how long it takes bad news to filter up) and an executive decision was made that no way were they going to go with the number 4 again. Of course, this is all speculation... darn. But ask Allan about the number 4 in Japan. You never buy or give things in 4s (it's very weird for a Westerner, though, for things to come in sets of three or five). -- Actually, in the condo building I lived in previously in Hawaii, there was one apartment on the top floor with a very nice ocean view. It was on the 13th floor, which was a deterrent to purchase by Westerners, so there was no 13th floor in the building officially. Unfortunately, it was then numbered 1404, which meant the person who bought it in the hopes of resale to a wealthy Japanese purchaser just had no takers. Talk about going by the numbers...

May 13th, 2004, 01:35 AM	#7
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Numbers don't mean a think to me except the number, 50.

May 13th, 2004, 01:57 AM	#9
Allan Rejoso Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Tokyo, Japan Posts: 569	I don't think GS400 is delayed. The speculations and incomplete specs are simply too early :-)) Pany usually releases its top of the line consumer cam in summer (northern hemisphere). So July is just on time. 4 is shi in Japanese which means death (no good da ne). The DV4000 was never released in Japan. We had the DV5000 instead :-)) but it didn't sell that well..probably too big and too pokerish.

May 13th, 2004, 02:00 AM	#10
Patricia Kim Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Honolulu, Hawaii Posts: 453	What about 3 as in 1/3" or 3 ccds? 0 as in lux? 1mp? 16x9? 43mm? 18db gain? 16-bit recording? Yes, I've just figured out the real problem I have with cams. I am not good with numbers, and cams are all about numbers. -- BTW, as a friend said when asked how it felt to turn 40, "It's better than the alternative." Same holds for 50.-- Maybe Pansonic's reason for delaying info about the gs whatever will all come down to the numbers - dollars and yen. Whatever. Just give us a good product at the end of it all, Panasonic, and all will be forgiven. (Was that stream of conscious enough? Good. Time to go listen to some music.)

May 13th, 2004, 02:07 AM	#11
Allan Rejoso Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Tokyo, Japan Posts: 569	<<<-- Originally posted by Patricia Kim : What about 3 as in 1/3" or 3 ccds? 0 as in lux? 1mp? 16x9? 43mm? 18db gain? 16-bit recording? Nice numbers indeed, but how many percent of the potential market is actually willing to pay 2 as in around 2000 dollars for a consumer cam?

May 13th, 2004, 02:10 AM	#12
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Allan, Panasonic has told me just today that it has been delayed yet once again...perhaps to accomodate a Japanese only Black Mamba II? (Some business for you?) 3 is more than 2, and 4 is more than 3---except with fractions. More is always better. Robert, you probably hit the nail on the head. :-))

May 13th, 2004, 07:27 AM	#14
George Beck Major Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 244	Allan - quote ------------------ 4 is shi in Japanese which means death -------------- I don't want to go political on you.. but... you know.. that makes sense.... 4th of July =) as this may be the american release date too... and.. again... GS400 no mercy ;-)

May 13th, 2004, 07:27 AM	#15
Kamal Tailor Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Australia, Victoria, Melbourne Posts: 65	you know making a black version isn't that hard, all they do is send the body and panels off to the Anodising ppl b4 it gets built if your really keen you could take one a part yourself and make yourself a funky Ti or Red coloured one in a high gloss or matt finish in Japan they released a pearl white version of one of the cameras i think it was the GS200, they had a black, silver and a pearl white, Allen would probably have to confirm that but i'm pretty sure one of them did, i know the GS55 came out in a quite a few colours and a white, Ti or Black camera would look very sexy oooer baby! hehehe