PV-GS400 /NV-GS400 (specs) at DVinfo.net

George Beck · May 5th, 2004, 09:17 AM

PV-GS400/NV-GS400

unknown..

Oliver Hu · May 5th, 2004, 09:52 AM

Is this spec from official source or still compilation of rumors ?

Tommy Haupfear · May 5th, 2004, 10:05 AM

It sounds like the GS400 will have multiple resolutions to record stills to card. Most cams only support 640x480 and then their top resolution. In the case of past Panasonic entry level 3CCDs they always use pixel shift to get a larger still but instead I would rather see a nice 1MP photo from a 3CCD cam with 1MP per CCD.

Now about that 1/4.7" CCD size... If it does turn out to be 1/4.7" then the GS400 will essentially be a mini PDX10 sans XLRs and about $700 USD less.

I'm inclined to believe it will be another 1/6" 3CCD but if its 1MP per CCD then I don't think they'll have much choice but to user a larger CCD. I don't think I've ever seen anything more than 800k pixels per 1/6" CCD (correct me if I'm wrong).

Mikhail Transact · May 5th, 2004, 10:36 AM

And what about zebra pattern and effective pixels for video? Any info?

Tavis Shaver · May 5th, 2004, 12:47 PM

That's just stupid of them to put megapixel ccds in it, it negates the whole advantgage of the bigger ccd's. I totally wish my gs100 had 1/4.7 ccds with the same effective pixel count that it has right now, it'd definately boost the low-light, but cramming another 200k pixels on each chip will make it another poor low light cam IMO.

Mikhail Transact · May 6th, 2004, 12:34 PM

Sorry, why did you decide that G400 would be equipped with 1/4,7 CCD? I can't find any information about except this forum.
I have asked our local Panasonic representative about G400, and they just responded me:
----------------
1. Characteristics is same as NV-GS200 with some differences:
- Photo mode with 4Mpix resolution;
- MEGA O.I.S. - optical image stabilizer;
- 3,5" LCD.
2. Selling star is about end of this summer (in Russia I mean).
3. Price is unknown yet.
----------------

I have asked them about CCD size, but they not respond me yet.

Tommy Haupfear · May 6th, 2004, 04:26 PM

Quote:

But GS400 is replacing this cam too.

Actually we don't know whats replacing the GS100 (if anything) but production appears to have stopped as mentioned on the Panasonic.jp website.

Mikhail Transact · May 7th, 2004, 03:50 AM

Just received Panasonic CIS reply:

=====
Good day Mikhail.
NV-GS400 has 1/4,7" CCD-marix.
=====

WOW! I like it! And I want it!

Frank Granovski · May 7th, 2004, 04:34 AM

Huh? Really? I'm still not convinced but larger CCDs could explain the physically wider front lens element seen on the GS400 pics.

Mikhail Transact · May 7th, 2004, 07:19 AM

What happened with specifications?
They became confidential?

George Beck · May 7th, 2004, 09:22 AM

what specs?

Frank Granovski · May 7th, 2004, 02:39 PM

The full specs have not yet been released, Mikhail.

Kamal Tailor · May 9th, 2004, 06:25 AM

if you want some official specs have a look here

http://www.panasonic.co.uk/camcorders/nvgs400b/index.htm

and i was just thinking, with the images, couldn't the 12x zoom account for the bigger lens?? as well a bigger CCD??

also the new CCD could be processed on a smaller FAB process, perhaps at .13 or .09u as opposed to the current FAB process.

does anyone know what the current FAB process size used to manufacture CCD's are?? .3u?? .5u???

as they could be changing the FAB process to reduce the size of the CCD and fit a higher count of pixels upon it

George Beck · May 9th, 2004, 07:10 AM

no Idea.

there are rumors that it will be the same CCD as in PDX10, but tose are ONLY rumors and nothing else.

Michael Struthers · May 9th, 2004, 08:42 AM

You guys are creating and denying your own rumors.

Let's see what it looks like when it come out. A GS100 with a slightly bigger lens, bigger CCD's won't be a bad thing.

May 5th, 2004, 09:17 AM	#1
George Beck Major Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 244	(specs) PV-GS400/NV-GS400 unknown..

May 5th, 2004, 10:36 AM	#4
Mikhail Transact Regular Crew Join Date: May 2004 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 60	Zebra? And what about zebra pattern and effective pixels for video? Any info? __________________ Mikhail

May 6th, 2004, 12:34 PM	#6
Mikhail Transact Regular Crew Join Date: May 2004 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 60	Sorry, why did you decide that G400 would be equipped with 1/4,7 CCD? I can't find any information about except this forum. I have asked our local Panasonic representative about G400, and they just responded me: ---------------- 1. Characteristics is same as NV-GS200 with some differences: - Photo mode with 4Mpix resolution; - MEGA O.I.S. - optical image stabilizer; - 3,5" LCD. 2. Selling star is about end of this summer (in Russia I mean). 3. Price is unknown yet. ---------------- I have asked them about CCD size, but they not respond me yet. __________________ Mikhail

May 7th, 2004, 07:19 AM	#10
Mikhail Transact Regular Crew Join Date: May 2004 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 60	What happened with specifications? They became confidential? __________________ Mikhail

May 9th, 2004, 08:42 AM	#15
Michael Struthers Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: SF, Ca Posts: 421	You guys are creating and denying your own rumors. Let's see what it looks like when it come out. A GS100 with a slightly bigger lens, bigger CCD's won't be a bad thing. __________________ Michael Struthers www.buzzdigital.com

May 5th, 2004, 09:52 AM	#2
Oliver Hu New Boot Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NYC Posts: 16	Is this spec from official source or still compilation of rumors ?

May 5th, 2004, 10:05 AM	#3
Tommy Haupfear Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 1,415	It sounds like the GS400 will have multiple resolutions to record stills to card. Most cams only support 640x480 and then their top resolution. In the case of past Panasonic entry level 3CCDs they always use pixel shift to get a larger still but instead I would rather see a nice 1MP photo from a 3CCD cam with 1MP per CCD. Now about that 1/4.7" CCD size... If it does turn out to be 1/4.7" then the GS400 will essentially be a mini PDX10 sans XLRs and about $700 USD less. I'm inclined to believe it will be another 1/6" 3CCD but if its 1MP per CCD then I don't think they'll have much choice but to user a larger CCD. I don't think I've ever seen anything more than 800k pixels per 1/6" CCD (correct me if I'm wrong).

May 5th, 2004, 12:47 PM	#5
Tavis Shaver Major Player Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC. Canada Posts: 209	That's just stupid of them to put megapixel ccds in it, it negates the whole advantgage of the bigger ccd's. I totally wish my gs100 had 1/4.7 ccds with the same effective pixel count that it has right now, it'd definately boost the low-light, but cramming another 200k pixels on each chip will make it another poor low light cam IMO.

May 7th, 2004, 03:50 AM	#8
Mikhail Transact Regular Crew Join Date: May 2004 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 60	Just received Panasonic CIS reply: ===== Good day Mikhail. NV-GS400 has 1/4,7" CCD-marix. ===== WOW! I like it! And I want it!

May 7th, 2004, 04:34 AM	#9
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Huh? Really? I'm still not convinced but larger CCDs could explain the physically wider front lens element seen on the GS400 pics.

May 7th, 2004, 09:22 AM	#11
George Beck Major Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 244	what specs?

May 7th, 2004, 02:39 PM	#12
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	The full specs have not yet been released, Mikhail.

May 9th, 2004, 06:25 AM	#13
Kamal Tailor Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Australia, Victoria, Melbourne Posts: 65	if you want some official specs have a look here http://www.panasonic.co.uk/camcorders/nvgs400b/index.htm and i was just thinking, with the images, couldn't the 12x zoom account for the bigger lens?? as well a bigger CCD?? also the new CCD could be processed on a smaller FAB process, perhaps at .13 or .09u as opposed to the current FAB process. does anyone know what the current FAB process size used to manufacture CCD's are?? .3u?? .5u??? as they could be changing the FAB process to reduce the size of the CCD and fit a higher count of pixels upon it

May 9th, 2004, 07:10 AM	#14
George Beck Major Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 244	no Idea. there are rumors that it will be the same CCD as in PDX10, but tose are ONLY rumors and nothing else.