PV-GS400, successor to PV_DV953 ? at DVinfo.net

Oliver Hu · February 27th, 2004, 12:16 PM

Someone in camcorderinfo.com claims there will be PV-GS400 replacing PV-DV953. See http://www.camcorderinfo.com/bbs/t48618.html

Personally called sale4sure but their salesman has zero knowledge about its specification. Their website has little information, just taking pre-order for $1,499.

If it's true, can be as hot as NV-GS100K. Anyone confirm ?

Chris Hurd · February 27th, 2004, 01:31 PM

Oliver

That camcorder site you referenced specializes in rumors and often reports new camcorder models too far in advance. Here we specialize in information, not rumors, and begin our discussions on new models only when they have been officially announced by the manufacturer. In short, until there is a press release by Panasonic, it should be considered "vaporware" and I wouldn't put much stock in it. After all, you can't get your hands on it until it's available, assuming it becomes available. Things change quickly for various reasons and I can't advise placing much stock in rumors. Confirmation will come at the right time, when the manufacturer announces the product and publishes its specs. Then you can come here for all of the solid, correct information. Hope this helps,

Frank Granovski · February 27th, 2004, 01:48 PM

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If it's true, can be as hot as NV-GS100K. Anyone confirm?

Don't know. Has the GS400 been posted yet on Pana's Japanese site? As you know, Pana's consumer hand-held flagship was never released outside of Japan. So, if the rumored GS400 will be a Japanese Domestic only, then, yes, it will be hot. If it'll be released outside of Japan also, then, no, it most likely won't be hot---going by Pana's track record.

A couple of months back, Pana told me the GS400 will be replacing the MX5 / PV-DV953 / GS100, but then quickly "correced" himself. So this could mean either of 2 things:[list=1][*]He gave me a glimpse of a bright future[*]He made a mistake.[/list=1]

Oliver Hu · February 27th, 2004, 02:51 PM

Chris,

I did not mean to transport rumors. As you see, assuming no one lies, at least three different sources indicated existence of GS400. So it seems more than "vaporware" to me. I am still pondering between getting GS100K or waiting for the next US model, but maybe too excited.

Frank,

The fact Pana corrected himself in front of you seems more like "made a mistake by leaking the core secret". With MX5 / PV-DV953 / GS100 in market for over half year, I don't believe company like Pana has no new refreshment in factory.

Frank Granovski · February 27th, 2004, 03:19 PM

If there is a GS400 in the works, it may or may not be better than the GS100; and if it is better, assuming it's in the works, it'll only be better by a hair. So, there's no reason not to go with a GS100 now, if you can live with the Japanese. If you're an auto man, there should be no problem. But if you already own a cam, think about it. Too many people buy a cam, use it once or twice, and then want to upgrade it with the latest and greatest. Unfortunetely, new consumer cams suck light. My very old GR-DVL9500U's are still serving me well, and I actually make money with them. Plus they don't suck light. If it ain't broke, don't fix it, or replace it. :-))

Young Lee · March 1st, 2004, 08:52 PM

It may be the PAL version of the GS100K.

Frank Granovski · March 1st, 2004, 09:05 PM

Well, yes, it just very well could be. I say this because Pana Tech sent me a GS100 pic when I asked about the GS400; but then Pana told me that they had made a mistake about the model number. So, it's all speculation with nothing in stone as far as I can tell. Let's not miss any sleep over it. I'm not. :-))

Oliver Hu · March 1st, 2004, 09:14 PM

> It may be the PAL version of the GS100K.

Considering US is the larget overseas market, it is very unlikely Pana will release PAL model before US NTSC model. Also they tend to use NV-GS instead of PV-GS for PAL model.

Frank Granovski · March 1st, 2004, 09:20 PM

I'll e-mail you the pic, if you wish. All I saw on the pick was GS100, but I'll check it again.

Tommy Haupfear · March 1st, 2004, 10:53 PM

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Considering US is the larget overseas market, it is very unlikely Pana will release PAL model before US NTSC model.

Well that might be the case except for the excellent MX3000 which was released in Japan and then PALsville (as the MX300) but never to North America.

One thing to point out is that the sale4sure website didn't seem to carry any other PAL cams and they are located in New York City.

I'm not really sure whats up..

Frank Granovski · March 2nd, 2004, 01:06 AM

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Considering US is the larget overseas market, it is very unlikely Pana will release PAL model before US NTSC model.

Hmmm. Wouldn't PAL be the biggest market? There's a way more people living in Europe, Asia, The Middle East and in and about "Down-Under, etc, than NTSC land: Brazil, Korea, The US, Canada, Mexico, etc.

Camcorderinfo was correct about the MX5000 coming as the PV-DV953. I'd like to hear more about this GS400, but I would prefer hearing it from "The Horse's Mouth." That would be Pana. :-))

Tommy Haupfear · March 2nd, 2004, 05:49 AM

Wow, what a long list.

http://harrisdigital.net/ntsc_pal_countries.htm

Young Lee · March 2nd, 2004, 11:22 AM

But the NTSC market is much "bigger."

Lou Bruno · March 2nd, 2004, 01:29 PM

If you look at the new Panny line for April, it seems they took features away from the GS70 and added them to the top line camera. EX: Remote and MPEG2.

Carlos E. Martinez · March 2nd, 2004, 05:55 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Tommy Haupfear : Wow, what a long list.
-->>>

The list is inaccurate, because Brazil only broadcasts in PAL-M. Recording, DVD, VHS is all done in NTSC. PAL-M practically is non-existent nowadays as a recording system.

PAL-M is only a special kind of NTSC, as it is also 525 lines, 60Hz.

But PAL-M is better than NTSC (or was really) for transmitting, because it rejects ghosts reflection (from mountains and buildings) more accurately.

Carlos

February 27th, 2004, 12:16 PM	#1
Oliver Hu New Boot Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NYC Posts: 16	PV-GS400, successor to PV_DV953 ? Someone in camcorderinfo.com claims there will be PV-GS400 replacing PV-DV953. See http://www.camcorderinfo.com/bbs/t48618.html Personally called sale4sure but their salesman has zero knowledge about its specification. Their website has little information, just taking pre-order for $1,499. If it's true, can be as hot as NV-GS100K. Anyone confirm ?

February 27th, 2004, 01:31 PM	#2
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Oliver That camcorder site you referenced specializes in rumors and often reports new camcorder models too far in advance. Here we specialize in information, not rumors, and begin our discussions on new models only when they have been officially announced by the manufacturer. In short, until there is a press release by Panasonic, it should be considered "vaporware" and I wouldn't put much stock in it. After all, you can't get your hands on it until it's available, assuming it becomes available. Things change quickly for various reasons and I can't advise placing much stock in rumors. Confirmation will come at the right time, when the manufacturer announces the product and publishes its specs. Then you can come here for all of the solid, correct information. Hope this helps, __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

March 2nd, 2004, 01:29 PM	#14
Lou Bruno Go Cycle Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Huntington, NY Posts: 815	If you look at the new Panny line for April, it seems they took features away from the GS70 and added them to the top line camera. EX: Remote and MPEG2. __________________ Lou Bruno

February 27th, 2004, 02:51 PM	#4
Oliver Hu New Boot Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NYC Posts: 16	Chris, I did not mean to transport rumors. As you see, assuming no one lies, at least three different sources indicated existence of GS400. So it seems more than "vaporware" to me. I am still pondering between getting GS100K or waiting for the next US model, but maybe too excited. Frank, The fact Pana corrected himself in front of you seems more like "made a mistake by leaking the core secret". With MX5 / PV-DV953 / GS100 in market for over half year, I don't believe company like Pana has no new refreshment in factory.

February 27th, 2004, 03:19 PM	#5
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	If there is a GS400 in the works, it may or may not be better than the GS100; and if it is better, assuming it's in the works, it'll only be better by a hair. So, there's no reason not to go with a GS100 now, if you can live with the Japanese. If you're an auto man, there should be no problem. But if you already own a cam, think about it. Too many people buy a cam, use it once or twice, and then want to upgrade it with the latest and greatest. Unfortunetely, new consumer cams suck light. My very old GR-DVL9500U's are still serving me well, and I actually make money with them. Plus they don't suck light. If it ain't broke, don't fix it, or replace it. :-))

March 1st, 2004, 08:52 PM	#6
Young Lee Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 268	It may be the PAL version of the GS100K.

March 1st, 2004, 09:05 PM	#7
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Well, yes, it just very well could be. I say this because Pana Tech sent me a GS100 pic when I asked about the GS400; but then Pana told me that they had made a mistake about the model number. So, it's all speculation with nothing in stone as far as I can tell. Let's not miss any sleep over it. I'm not. :-))

March 1st, 2004, 09:14 PM	#8
Oliver Hu New Boot Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NYC Posts: 16	> It may be the PAL version of the GS100K. Considering US is the larget overseas market, it is very unlikely Pana will release PAL model before US NTSC model. Also they tend to use NV-GS instead of PV-GS for PAL model.

March 1st, 2004, 09:20 PM	#9
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	I'll e-mail you the pic, if you wish. All I saw on the pick was GS100, but I'll check it again.

March 2nd, 2004, 05:49 AM	#12
Tommy Haupfear Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 1,415	Wow, what a long list. http://harrisdigital.net/ntsc_pal_countries.htm

March 2nd, 2004, 11:22 AM	#13
Young Lee Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 268	But the NTSC market is much "bigger."

March 2nd, 2004, 05:55 PM	#15
Carlos E. Martinez Trustee Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Rio de Janeiro, Brasil Posts: 1,138	<<<-- Originally posted by Tommy Haupfear : Wow, what a long list. -->>> The list is inaccurate, because Brazil only broadcasts in PAL-M. Recording, DVD, VHS is all done in NTSC. PAL-M practically is non-existent nowadays as a recording system. PAL-M is only a special kind of NTSC, as it is also 525 lines, 60Hz. But PAL-M is better than NTSC (or was really) for transmitting, because it rejects ghosts reflection (from mountains and buildings) more accurately. Carlos