Best way to shoot in low ligh with 953? at DVinfo.net

Min-Chin Hsiao · January 23rd, 2004, 10:42 PM

Hi all,
Picked up a PV-DV953 finally, after a few months of research, reading and more reading....
I often have to shoot in low light condition, mainly family video at home. Just need some advice as the best way to approach it:

No Extra Light way:
1. Use Gain Up Mode, leave WB in auto
2. Use Gain Up Mode, manual WB setup
3. Normal Mode, WB in Auto
4. Normal Mode, Manual WB
5. Other???
(I remember reading somewhere about gain up being configurable, is that correct? How to do it?)

Say if I get a small 3,5,10W portable light... (any suggestion on what to get?)
1. Use Normal Mode, Manual WB
2. Use Gainup Mode, Manual WB
3. Other???

Min

Frank Granovski · January 24th, 2004, 02:07 AM

I don't think you can do much to squeeze more LUX out this cam. If you can't add more lighting, like replace those 60's with 100's, etc, then buy yourself a cheap older cam like a DVL9500, Optura PI, Optura 100MC, and better, the PV-DV852. I'f I needed a new cam for mostly indoor shooting where I cannot control the lighting, I would most certainly not consider the PV-DV953.

Emmet Lucey · January 24th, 2004, 02:23 AM

my mx500 has a low light mode (candle symbol) that allows auto focus tpo continue, whereas my autofocus doesn't work in gain up / "magic pix" mode .... i second what Frank says, however, just tilting a few lampshades here & there gives marked results :-) ... i was out last night shooting skeleton sleds in the olympic arena here in lillehammer under minimal floodlamps & got some very nice results :-)

Frank Granovski · January 24th, 2004, 03:30 AM

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just tilting a few lampshades here & there gives marked results

That's exactly what I do for some of my indoor footage and pictures. In fact, even in a studio you've got to play around with the lighting, and shoot towards where the light falls just right. But at least with pictures, a good flash sure comes in handy, even in outdoor shooting to fill in the little shady areas.

Yow Cheong Hoe · January 25th, 2004, 07:01 PM

I suggest limiting gain to +15. At +18 the noise gets pretty unbearable.

As for add on lights, it is good to have one around, but I don't recommend it for everything.

WB has nothing to do with exposure, you should always set your WB to your liking.

The candle mode is similar to telling the camera fo 1-stop brighter. It is more gain. I can't remember if they half the shutter peed, and if they do, motion will be jerky. I have not used hte candle at all. In low lights, use manual exposure.

Lastly, if it is REALLY so important, you can squeeze a light light and maintain some quality in post-production (software) like Premiere or maybe exporting frame-by-frame to Photoshop, etc.

Min-Chin Hsiao · January 26th, 2004, 10:30 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Yow Cheong Hoe : I suggest limiting gain to +15. At +18 the noise gets pretty unbearable.
-->>>

The thing I don't get is how to set this??? Could you give me some pointers.....?

I just don't find this in the menu.

Min

Guy Bruner · January 26th, 2004, 10:39 AM

Quote:

The thing I don't get is how to set this??? Could you give me some pointers.....?

Put the DV953 into manual and make sure everything is in focus. Press the jog dial to bring up iris (aperature) (if you press it again you will get shutter, but you don't want that...leave it at 1/60). Adjust the jog dial to bring aperature below 0 (open), then it starts adding gain in +3 dB steps. Set it to +15 and leave it or press AE Lock to hold the settings.

You may have to set your LCD display options so you can see this on screen.

Min-Chin Hsiao · January 26th, 2004, 12:32 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Guy Bruner : Put the DV953 into manual and make sure everything is in focus. Press the jog dial to bring up iris (aperature) (if you press it again you will get shutter, but you don't want that...leave it at 1/60). Adjust the jog dial to bring aperature below 0 (open), then it starts adding gain in +3 dB steps. Set it to +15 and leave it or press AE Lock to hold the settings.

You may have to set your LCD display options so you can see this on screen. -->>>

Thanks a lot! I will try that tonight.

Min

Yow Cheong Hoe · January 26th, 2004, 07:16 PM

Actually, I noticed that the gain is in steps of +1, but the screen disply only shows +3, +6, ... +15 and +18 (in steps of +3). You can see this if you are in a dim place, and SLOWLY turn up the dial, the scene brightens in small steps without the gain indicator changing!

January 23rd, 2004, 10:42 PM	#1
Min-Chin Hsiao New Boot Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Edison, NJ Posts: 5	Best way to shoot in low ligh with 953? Hi all, Picked up a PV-DV953 finally, after a few months of research, reading and more reading.... I often have to shoot in low light condition, mainly family video at home. Just need some advice as the best way to approach it: No Extra Light way: 1. Use Gain Up Mode, leave WB in auto 2. Use Gain Up Mode, manual WB setup 3. Normal Mode, WB in Auto 4. Normal Mode, Manual WB 5. Other??? (I remember reading somewhere about gain up being configurable, is that correct? How to do it?) Say if I get a small 3,5,10W portable light... (any suggestion on what to get?) 1. Use Normal Mode, Manual WB 2. Use Gainup Mode, Manual WB 3. Other??? Min

January 24th, 2004, 02:07 AM	#2
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	I don't think you can do much to squeeze more LUX out this cam. If you can't add more lighting, like replace those 60's with 100's, etc, then buy yourself a cheap older cam like a DVL9500, Optura PI, Optura 100MC, and better, the PV-DV852. I'f I needed a new cam for mostly indoor shooting where I cannot control the lighting, I would most certainly not consider the PV-DV953.

January 24th, 2004, 02:23 AM	#3
Emmet Lucey Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: lillehammer norway Posts: 67	my mx500 has a low light mode (candle symbol) that allows auto focus tpo continue, whereas my autofocus doesn't work in gain up / "magic pix" mode .... i second what Frank says, however, just tilting a few lampshades here & there gives marked results :-) ... i was out last night shooting skeleton sleds in the olympic arena here in lillehammer under minimal floodlamps & got some very nice results :-)

January 25th, 2004, 07:01 PM	#5
Yow Cheong Hoe Major Player Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Singapore, Passport: Malaysia Posts: 407	I suggest limiting gain to +15. At +18 the noise gets pretty unbearable. As for add on lights, it is good to have one around, but I don't recommend it for everything. WB has nothing to do with exposure, you should always set your WB to your liking. The candle mode is similar to telling the camera fo 1-stop brighter. It is more gain. I can't remember if they half the shutter peed, and if they do, motion will be jerky. I have not used hte candle at all. In low lights, use manual exposure. Lastly, if it is REALLY so important, you can squeeze a light light and maintain some quality in post-production (software) like Premiere or maybe exporting frame-by-frame to Photoshop, etc.

January 26th, 2004, 10:30 AM	#6
Min-Chin Hsiao New Boot Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Edison, NJ Posts: 5	<<<-- Originally posted by Yow Cheong Hoe : I suggest limiting gain to +15. At +18 the noise gets pretty unbearable. -->>> The thing I don't get is how to set this??? Could you give me some pointers.....? I just don't find this in the menu. Min

January 26th, 2004, 12:32 PM	#8
Min-Chin Hsiao New Boot Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Edison, NJ Posts: 5	<<<-- Originally posted by Guy Bruner : Put the DV953 into manual and make sure everything is in focus. Press the jog dial to bring up iris (aperature) (if you press it again you will get shutter, but you don't want that...leave it at 1/60). Adjust the jog dial to bring aperature below 0 (open), then it starts adding gain in +3 dB steps. Set it to +15 and leave it or press AE Lock to hold the settings. You may have to set your LCD display options so you can see this on screen. -->>> Thanks a lot! I will try that tonight. Min

January 26th, 2004, 07:16 PM	#9
Yow Cheong Hoe Major Player Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Singapore, Passport: Malaysia Posts: 407	Actually, I noticed that the gain is in steps of +1, but the screen disply only shows +3, +6, ... +15 and +18 (in steps of +3). You can see this if you are in a dim place, and SLOWLY turn up the dial, the scene brightens in small steps without the gain indicator changing!