NV-GS300 coming

Frank Granovski · January 7th, 2004, 10:09 PM

The new one, with OIS, widescreen and good low light. It should come one day. :-))

Tommy Haupfear · January 7th, 2004, 10:25 PM

Yeah, its not often low light and high quality widescreen go in the same sentence (at least not in my price range).

The only way I see that combo possible is for the cam to have VX2100/PD170 specs but with native 16:9 chips (not megapixel 16:9 extractions).

Frank Granovski · January 8th, 2004, 01:21 AM

In other words, I'm setting my sights toward the horizon. :-))

Bogdan Vaglarov · January 8th, 2004, 02:46 AM

Yeah, I just read the report on camcorderinfo.com

My conclusion - Pana really show they don't care for the real stuff. Again bow to the ignorent average consumer. Phuu..

Very happy I bought GS100 as I'm sure the replacement will be worse.

Nick Kerpchar · January 8th, 2004, 08:57 AM

Frank,
That horizon you are looking for sounds like it is probably going to be on Mars given everything I have read in this thread.

So CES announcements are good news for those that shoot Uncle Louie's birthday once a year and Cousin Matilda's graduation (also a one timer experience). Whoop-de-do! Guess the marketing survey results favor video cams the size of Lucky Charms for limited family use. Sounds like the manufacturer's slogan in 2004 is, "Spare change camcorders for the masses."

The good news is that there are still a couple of pretty good 3-chippers out there that may be the workhorses for the next few years.

Oh yea, one more thing. Since there can only be one "Black Mamba", do you think the Panny DVC80 should be called the "Black Adder" (with all due respect to Rowan Adkins)?

Nick

Honglin Sun · January 8th, 2004, 09:47 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Bogdan Vaglarov : Yeah, I just read the report on camcorderinfo.com

My conclusion - Pana really show they don't care for the real stuff. Again bow to the ignorent average consumer. Phuu..

Very happy I bought GS100 as I'm sure the replacement will be worse. -->>>

It seems Pana's strategy for North American is quite different from Japan domestic market. It is so sad to read that GS100k will not be saled in the US. Good luck for those guys, who got GS100k from Japan.

Frank Granovski · January 8th, 2004, 07:29 PM

Quote:

That horizon you are looking for sounds like it is probably going to be on Mars

...and a most interesting planet, I must say.

Well, no harm in waiting and watching. And I'm also curious what the GS100 replacement will be like in June. Allan, you might want to get ready with this one.

Joe Carney · January 9th, 2004, 09:58 AM

Over at Cnet thekir CES 2004 articles talk about the new Panasonic
GS120 and GS200. No details, but thats what Panasonic anounced, and is saying both are under 1000.00 US.

R. Scott Hanson · January 9th, 2004, 10:08 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Joe Carney : Over at Cnet thekir CES 2004 articles talk about the new Panasonic GS120 and GS200. No details, but thats what Panasonic anounced, and is saying both are under 1000.00 US. -->>>

go back to pages 2-3 of this thread for more info and links to the 2 new models

Frank Granovski · January 9th, 2004, 05:45 PM

The GS120 and GS200 seem to be based on the GS70, and not the GS100. Don't let the higher numbers fool you. I'm placing my bets that the real GS100 upgrade will be for Japan only---at least for a while.

Young Lee · January 9th, 2004, 06:34 PM

That's funny; the GS100 seems like a better deal than both the GS120 and 200.

Frank Granovski · January 9th, 2004, 07:32 PM

That's because the deals are in Japan only. ;)

Allan Rejoso · January 9th, 2004, 08:15 PM

...Allan, you might want to get ready with this one.

Most likely in a more compact form and size. That's why I suspect it could look like this GS200, if not it. Would you guys like something that small with OIS, pro features and decent widescreen. If Pany could possibly squeeze in a 3.5 LCD on that form factor, that would be nice.

One thing promising about the GS200 is that similar to GS70, it could have a slightly better low-light performance than GS100 (as reviewers in Japan have noted), assuming its CCDs are the same low resolution one (360K).

Problem with the GS100 right now is the strong value of Yen. As a result, the black mamba's net US$ price is basically unchanged since 4 months back. Owners who bought that time are very lucky indeed.

Clive Muskus · March 3rd, 2004, 08:29 PM

I refer to my earlier post on page 2 of this thread.

Thank you Frank, thank you Tommy, and thank you Bogdan for your help in clarifying my mind on the question of NTSC against PAL. I was rather taken aback by Frank’s strong assertion that
"PAL is for PAL-land; NTSC is for NTSC-land; GS100 = NTSC, so I suggest not to buy this cam if you're in PAL-land."
But later he added a very helpful website for further reading. I followed this and many others. Some were technical enough for my limited knowledge of signal processing to appreciate their explanations and arguments. Much too often one was coming across words such as “fuzzy, jumping, loosing definition, judder, jitter, etc”. This is when I realized that Frank was right with his dictum. Entering the quagmire of conversion between different TV standards will inevitably result in the definition loss and likely to lead to other problems.
Consequently, if I am bent on the Black Samba I have two choices:

1. To buy NTSC version and put up with the loss of definition on conversion to PAL and much lesser problem of the language.
2. Wait for the PAL version and buy a castrated (by all accounts) Black Samba and put up with the consequent loss in functions and performance.

It is a no win situation, so I decided to buy MX500 for the time being from nemonic.com and wait a year or two (or more) for a solid state camcorder. MX500 arrived at the door halfway through typing this post and one and halve days before my departure for Ecuador. It is only now that I got hooked up here to the Internet, so please accept my apology for this delay in replying and many thanks for your help. Now I have a few months here and in my spare time I will put the camcorder and myself to a thorough test, especially when I get to the Galapagos Islands.

Clive Muskus · March 3rd, 2004, 08:32 PM

“I'll hit the big 50 on March 4th. I don't feel my age except for those darn 80 year old knees and my poor head---infested with lots of white stuff. Nevertheless, I kick and punch each and every day”

Many happy returns to Frank and his knees which preceded him by thirty years. And many thanks for the copious help given readily and unselfishly to so many of us over such a long time.

Clive

March 3rd, 2004, 08:29 PM	#59
Clive Muskus New Boot Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lanzarote, Spain Posts: 12	PAL is for PAL land...... I refer to my earlier post on page 2 of this thread. Thank you Frank, thank you Tommy, and thank you Bogdan for your help in clarifying my mind on the question of NTSC against PAL. I was rather taken aback by Frank’s strong assertion that "PAL is for PAL-land; NTSC is for NTSC-land; GS100 = NTSC, so I suggest not to buy this cam if you're in PAL-land." But later he added a very helpful website for further reading. I followed this and many others. Some were technical enough for my limited knowledge of signal processing to appreciate their explanations and arguments. Much too often one was coming across words such as “fuzzy, jumping, loosing definition, judder, jitter, etc”. This is when I realized that Frank was right with his dictum. Entering the quagmire of conversion between different TV standards will inevitably result in the definition loss and likely to lead to other problems. Consequently, if I am bent on the Black Samba I have two choices: 1. To buy NTSC version and put up with the loss of definition on conversion to PAL and much lesser problem of the language. 2. Wait for the PAL version and buy a castrated (by all accounts) Black Samba and put up with the consequent loss in functions and performance. It is a no win situation, so I decided to buy MX500 for the time being from nemonic.com and wait a year or two (or more) for a solid state camcorder. MX500 arrived at the door halfway through typing this post and one and halve days before my departure for Ecuador. It is only now that I got hooked up here to the Internet, so please accept my apology for this delay in replying and many thanks for your help. Now I have a few months here and in my spare time I will put the camcorder and myself to a thorough test, especially when I get to the Galapagos Islands. __________________ Clive

March 3rd, 2004, 08:32 PM	#60
Clive Muskus New Boot Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lanzarote, Spain Posts: 12	Frank Granowski said: “I'll hit the big 50 on March 4th. I don't feel my age except for those darn 80 year old knees and my poor head---infested with lots of white stuff. Nevertheless, I kick and punch each and every day” Many happy returns to Frank and his knees which preceded him by thirty years. And many thanks for the copious help given readily and unselfishly to so many of us over such a long time. Clive __________________ Clive

January 7th, 2004, 10:09 PM	#46
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	The new one, with OIS, widescreen and good low light. It should come one day. :-))

January 7th, 2004, 10:25 PM	#47
Tommy Haupfear Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 1,415	Yeah, its not often low light and high quality widescreen go in the same sentence (at least not in my price range). The only way I see that combo possible is for the cam to have VX2100/PD170 specs but with native 16:9 chips (not megapixel 16:9 extractions).

January 8th, 2004, 01:21 AM	#48
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	In other words, I'm setting my sights toward the horizon. :-))

January 8th, 2004, 02:46 AM	#49
Bogdan Vaglarov Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Yokohama, Japan Posts: 366	Yeah, I just read the report on camcorderinfo.com My conclusion - Pana really show they don't care for the real stuff. Again bow to the ignorent average consumer. Phuu.. Very happy I bought GS100 as I'm sure the replacement will be worse.

January 8th, 2004, 08:57 AM	#50
Nick Kerpchar Major Player Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 211	Frank, That horizon you are looking for sounds like it is probably going to be on Mars given everything I have read in this thread. So CES announcements are good news for those that shoot Uncle Louie's birthday once a year and Cousin Matilda's graduation (also a one timer experience). Whoop-de-do! Guess the marketing survey results favor video cams the size of Lucky Charms for limited family use. Sounds like the manufacturer's slogan in 2004 is, "Spare change camcorders for the masses." The good news is that there are still a couple of pretty good 3-chippers out there that may be the workhorses for the next few years. Oh yea, one more thing. Since there can only be one "Black Mamba", do you think the Panny DVC80 should be called the "Black Adder" (with all due respect to Rowan Adkins)? Nick

January 8th, 2004, 09:47 AM	#51
Honglin Sun New Boot Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 18	<<<-- Originally posted by Bogdan Vaglarov : Yeah, I just read the report on camcorderinfo.com My conclusion - Pana really show they don't care for the real stuff. Again bow to the ignorent average consumer. Phuu.. Very happy I bought GS100 as I'm sure the replacement will be worse. -->>> It seems Pana's strategy for North American is quite different from Japan domestic market. It is so sad to read that GS100k will not be saled in the US. Good luck for those guys, who got GS100k from Japan.

January 9th, 2004, 09:58 AM	#53
Joe Carney Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Centreville Va Posts: 1,828	Over at Cnet thekir CES 2004 articles talk about the new Panasonic GS120 and GS200. No details, but thats what Panasonic anounced, and is saying both are under 1000.00 US.

January 9th, 2004, 10:08 AM	#54
R. Scott Hanson New Boot Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 14	<<<-- Originally posted by Joe Carney : Over at Cnet thekir CES 2004 articles talk about the new Panasonic GS120 and GS200. No details, but thats what Panasonic anounced, and is saying both are under 1000.00 US. -->>> go back to pages 2-3 of this thread for more info and links to the 2 new models

January 9th, 2004, 05:45 PM	#55
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	The GS120 and GS200 seem to be based on the GS70, and not the GS100. Don't let the higher numbers fool you. I'm placing my bets that the real GS100 upgrade will be for Japan only---at least for a while.

January 9th, 2004, 06:34 PM	#56
Young Lee Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 268	That's funny; the GS100 seems like a better deal than both the GS120 and 200.

January 9th, 2004, 07:32 PM	#57
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	That's because the deals are in Japan only. ;)

January 9th, 2004, 08:15 PM	#58
Allan Rejoso Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Tokyo, Japan Posts: 569	...Allan, you might want to get ready with this one. Most likely in a more compact form and size. That's why I suspect it could look like this GS200, if not it. Would you guys like something that small with OIS, pro features and decent widescreen. If Pany could possibly squeeze in a 3.5 LCD on that form factor, that would be nice. One thing promising about the GS200 is that similar to GS70, it could have a slightly better low-light performance than GS100 (as reviewers in Japan have noted), assuming its CCDs are the same low resolution one (360K). Problem with the GS100 right now is the strong value of Yen. As a result, the black mamba's net US$ price is basically unchanged since 4 months back. Owners who bought that time are very lucky indeed.