Videograbs from my MX5000 Footage (important: nighttime shooting) at DVinfo.net

Young Lee · November 30th, 2003, 05:30 PM

http://www.dvuser.co.kr/zboard/data/...ed_Frame_7.jpg

http://www.dvuser.co.kr/zboard/data/...ed_Frame_8.jpg

http://www.dvuser.co.kr/zboard/data/...d_Frame_14.jpg

http://www.dvuser.co.kr/zboard/data/...d_Frame_15.jpg

http://www.dvuser.co.kr/zboard/data/...d_Frame_16.jpg

http://www.dvuser.co.kr/zboard/data/...d_Frame_17.jpg

Frank Granovski · November 30th, 2003, 07:22 PM

Thank you for those frame grabs. I'm surprised at the good quality considering the light was low.

Yow Cheong Hoe · November 30th, 2003, 10:42 PM

What was the shooting info? I am interested in knowing the iris/gain and the shutter speed (I'll guess 60 fps).

Thanks in advance.

Young Lee · November 30th, 2003, 11:26 PM

60i, 1/60 sec., 6-9dB

Yow Cheong Hoe · December 1st, 2003, 12:28 AM

The stage was actually pretty well lit up, but I was checking at the fringe people (spectators, supporting musicians) who are not as brightly lit. The noise there is pretty well controlled.

The black background is also quite free of noise.

I'll say pretty low noise at +6 or +9db. My experience with the PAL model (MX500) is not as 'clean'. That may mean that the NTSC model is better than the PAL model!

Frank Granovski · December 1st, 2003, 12:50 AM

Re: "That may mean that the NTSC model is better than the PAL model!"

That's what I keep suspecting also. Perhaps the NTSC version has a lower CCD pixel count, and that may be why?

Allan Rejoso · December 1st, 2003, 01:06 AM

Just my opinion.

The samples shots are those of sufficiently lit subjects although the background is dark, hence, quality is pretty good. I've played with many new model cams and I don't know of any model that is not capable of producing the same (color saturation may vary though). This is more the shooters' technique rather than the cam's inherent low-light capability, IMO. About a year ago, I posted a question in another forum asking whether Disneyland's Electrical Parade is considered as low-light condition or not because regardless of the pitch dark background, it is essentially shooting straight at millions of lights...I was awed how clean and colorful the video turned out (using my Optura100), but then after comparing with those taken using the Sonys and JVC (which are equally clean and colorful), realized it was not that big a deal.

I think most of the complaints regarding poor/noisy low-light performance is when shooting at uniformly illuminated or diffused light conditions.

Adam Folickman · December 1st, 2003, 04:34 AM

The clarity is really impressive. The color reproduction too (especially the fire photos).

The stage lighting must have been "very" greenish/yellow because this is the color seen in the frame grabs, correct ?

Young Lee · December 1st, 2003, 10:26 AM

Yeah. I don't know why they used greenish stage lighting.

Young Lee · December 3rd, 2003, 01:08 PM

Two more. :)

http://www.dvuser.co.kr/zboard/data/gallery/Grabbed_Frame_33.jpg

http://www.dvuser.co.kr/zboard/data/gallery/1070308067/Grabbed_Frame_29.jpg

Andrew Tomaro · December 4th, 2003, 05:10 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Young Lee : 60i, 1/60 sec., 6-9dB -->>>

Correct me if I'm wrong....is 60i Frame Mode (I own the MX500 PAL).

Thanks

Young Lee · December 7th, 2003, 01:45 PM

Oh, I deinterlaced video using "Studio 8" (cheapo NLE), so the frame grabs look less sharp.

November 30th, 2003, 05:30 PM	#1
Young Lee Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 268	Videograbs from my MX5000 Footage (important: night-time shooting) http://www.dvuser.co.kr/zboard/data/...ed_Frame_7.jpg http://www.dvuser.co.kr/zboard/data/...ed_Frame_8.jpg http://www.dvuser.co.kr/zboard/data/...d_Frame_14.jpg http://www.dvuser.co.kr/zboard/data/...d_Frame_15.jpg http://www.dvuser.co.kr/zboard/data/...d_Frame_16.jpg http://www.dvuser.co.kr/zboard/data/...d_Frame_17.jpg

November 30th, 2003, 10:42 PM	#3
Yow Cheong Hoe Major Player Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Singapore, Passport: Malaysia Posts: 407	What was the shooting info? I am interested in knowing the iris/gain and the shutter speed (I'll guess 60 fps). Thanks in advance. __________________ Cam: Panasonic MX350EN, SOLD my MX8EN Mac: G3 400MHz PowerBook, 256 MB, OS 9 PC: Pentium 4 2800MHz, 512 MB, WindowsXP SW: iMovie, Final Cut Pro, Adobe Premiere, Ulead Video Studio, various little utilities

December 1st, 2003, 12:28 AM	#5
Yow Cheong Hoe Major Player Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Singapore, Passport: Malaysia Posts: 407	The stage was actually pretty well lit up, but I was checking at the fringe people (spectators, supporting musicians) who are not as brightly lit. The noise there is pretty well controlled. The black background is also quite free of noise. I'll say pretty low noise at +6 or +9db. My experience with the PAL model (MX500) is not as 'clean'. That may mean that the NTSC model is better than the PAL model! __________________ Cam: Panasonic MX350EN, SOLD my MX8EN Mac: G3 400MHz PowerBook, 256 MB, OS 9 PC: Pentium 4 2800MHz, 512 MB, WindowsXP SW: iMovie, Final Cut Pro, Adobe Premiere, Ulead Video Studio, various little utilities

November 30th, 2003, 07:22 PM	#2
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Thank you for those frame grabs. I'm surprised at the good quality considering the light was low.

November 30th, 2003, 11:26 PM	#4
Young Lee Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 268	60i, 1/60 sec., 6-9dB

December 1st, 2003, 12:50 AM	#6
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Re: "That may mean that the NTSC model is better than the PAL model!" That's what I keep suspecting also. Perhaps the NTSC version has a lower CCD pixel count, and that may be why?

December 1st, 2003, 01:06 AM	#7
Allan Rejoso Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Tokyo, Japan Posts: 569	Just my opinion. The samples shots are those of sufficiently lit subjects although the background is dark, hence, quality is pretty good. I've played with many new model cams and I don't know of any model that is not capable of producing the same (color saturation may vary though). This is more the shooters' technique rather than the cam's inherent low-light capability, IMO. About a year ago, I posted a question in another forum asking whether Disneyland's Electrical Parade is considered as low-light condition or not because regardless of the pitch dark background, it is essentially shooting straight at millions of lights...I was awed how clean and colorful the video turned out (using my Optura100), but then after comparing with those taken using the Sonys and JVC (which are equally clean and colorful), realized it was not that big a deal. I think most of the complaints regarding poor/noisy low-light performance is when shooting at uniformly illuminated or diffused light conditions.

December 1st, 2003, 04:34 AM	#8
Adam Folickman Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: New Hampshire, USA Posts: 125	The clarity is really impressive. The color reproduction too (especially the fire photos). The stage lighting must have been "very" greenish/yellow because this is the color seen in the frame grabs, correct ?

December 1st, 2003, 10:26 AM	#9
Young Lee Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 268	Yeah. I don't know why they used greenish stage lighting.

December 3rd, 2003, 01:08 PM	#10
Young Lee Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 268	Two more. :) http://www.dvuser.co.kr/zboard/data/gallery/Grabbed_Frame_33.jpg http://www.dvuser.co.kr/zboard/data/gallery/1070308067/Grabbed_Frame_29.jpg

December 4th, 2003, 05:10 PM	#11
Andrew Tomaro Tourist Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 2	<<<-- Originally posted by Young Lee : 60i, 1/60 sec., 6-9dB -->>> Correct me if I'm wrong....is 60i Frame Mode (I own the MX500 PAL). Thanks

December 7th, 2003, 01:45 PM	#12
Young Lee Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 268	Oh, I deinterlaced video using "Studio 8" (cheapo NLE), so the frame grabs look less sharp.