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Fred Garhart · November 1st, 2003, 04:08 PM

I've been reading around here for about a week. Would the PV-DV953 be a good camcorder for me? Are there any good smaller Sony camcorders? I own a Sony TV.

I have never owned nor used one before. I want something small and something of quality.

Frank Granovski · November 1st, 2003, 04:57 PM

Welcome to DV Info!

What are you planning on doing with a cam? (What do you want to shoot?) What are your expectations?

Fred Garhart · November 1st, 2003, 05:39 PM

I do not want to video record anything professional. I want to be able to carry it around with me and get some good video of different things and put it on a VCR tape, so that I may view what I recorded (things of interest, parties, animals, people, maybe some hockey). I also want to get a small padded, water proof bag for the cam. I'm new to all this. I have been doing a lot of reading here, and picked up a few things.

Frank Granovski · November 1st, 2003, 08:08 PM

Yes the PV-DV953 is a very good consumer cam, and so is the Canon Optura Xi and Sony TRV70. Just pick one, but try them before you buy one. Personally, I like the 953 and Xi. Also, I believe the Xi is a tad better in lower light. A Lowepro Nova 2 is a good bag for these cams, don't forget a UV filter to protect the lens, buy an extra battery and stick with 1 type of miniDV tape---stay away from the wet lube kind. Happy shooting.

Here's a tape link with lots of good tape links:

http://www.dvfreak.com/tape.htm

Perhaps some other members can give you some further advice, but it is the weekend, you know.

Frank Granovski · November 2nd, 2003, 02:46 AM

Sorry, I just re-read your post and saw that I suggested a Nova 2 bag. Make sure that you look at the new replacement model because it has a built-in rain cover, the older one Novas don't have a rain jacket.

Brian De Leenheer · November 2nd, 2003, 07:45 PM

Fred,
I recently tried several cameras (Optura Xi, PV-DV953, TRV-70, TRV-39) versus my old TRV-11 and I found the Xi to be the worst of the bunch in low light. The image and colour were not bad but the autofocus would search around like crazy so unless you are focussing manually, forget it. The 953 was not as bright as the Sony's but the colour was nice and it did not have the focus problems. Ironically enough, my TRV11 was the best of the bunch in low light. In good lighting, I thought the 953 was the best with the Canon a close second.

Brian

Tommy Haupfear · November 3rd, 2003, 08:33 AM

I'll second that Canon Optura Xi focus issue. It really does struggle in low light.

The Optura Xi also has a problem with high contrast areas like tree lines and blue sky. Where my past cams would show a deep blue sky and clouds the Xi shows a powdery blue with no clouds.

Frank Granovski · November 3rd, 2003, 07:02 PM

How bad is this searching? Is that on a tripod with zooming, panning and tilting?

http://www.dv.com/forums/showReplies...&tid=121800015

Brian De Leenheer · November 3rd, 2003, 07:48 PM

The filming I was doing was handheld panning, no zooming, no tilting but I was not using a tripod. I even noticed the problem in moderately lit indoor scenes. It was bad enough that despite the nice colour, I would definitely not use this camera indoors.

Brian

Frank Granovski · November 3rd, 2003, 07:55 PM

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I would definitely not use this camera indoors

I agree. That's why I'm hanging on to my very older DVL9500 cams.

Dave Largent · November 4th, 2003, 08:37 PM

Figures about the Xi: it's all those pixels. I don't think the average Joe has much use for a camera that can't be used indoors.

Frank Granovski · November 4th, 2003, 08:54 PM

That's why I'm hanging on to my very older DVL9500 cams. They're great for indoor/low light shooting. The next best thing would be the more costly VX2000. But, no thanks. I need my spare cash to pay for my bad habits. :)

Fred Garhart · November 5th, 2003, 01:25 AM

He Ha! I looked into that camcorder case you suggested, Frank. I could not find the new one with the built in rain cover. Then I emailed Lowe Pro, and they replied saying that B&H in New York USA has them. So I called B&H about it and they said they have them. While I was on the phone, I also asked about the Panasonic. They gave me a USA price. Then I called my bank to see how much this would cost me. I just about dropped! I would save over $700 CAN Dollars! What the $3@*!'s going on? Hell! I'm going with B&H. I figure that this old cow poke's goin for it next week. The hell with Calgary dealers.

Thank you Brian for that information. The Panasonic PV-DV953 felt and looked like a much better camcorder than the Optura XI.

Frank Granovski · November 5th, 2003, 02:30 AM

This cam is a lot cheaper in the US. Don't ask me why because there is only 1 reason for this. (We get ripped off in Canada---oops, sorry.)

If you're going with that order, get an extra battery and a UV filter (for lens protection). You might as well include that with your order.

Have you thought about tapes? Fuji tapes are good and you can get them cheap at Super Store. Don't buy different brands of tape:

http://www.dvfreak.com/tape.htm

Good luck, and have fun!

November 1st, 2003, 04:08 PM	#1
Fred Garhart Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Calgary, Alberta Posts: 53	Cam advice I've been reading around here for about a week. Would the PV-DV953 be a good camcorder for me? Are there any good smaller Sony camcorders? I own a Sony TV. I have never owned nor used one before. I want something small and something of quality.

November 1st, 2003, 04:57 PM	#2
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Welcome to DV Info! What are you planning on doing with a cam? (What do you want to shoot?) What are your expectations?

November 1st, 2003, 05:39 PM	#3
Fred Garhart Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Calgary, Alberta Posts: 53	I do not want to video record anything professional. I want to be able to carry it around with me and get some good video of different things and put it on a VCR tape, so that I may view what I recorded (things of interest, parties, animals, people, maybe some hockey). I also want to get a small padded, water proof bag for the cam. I'm new to all this. I have been doing a lot of reading here, and picked up a few things.

November 1st, 2003, 08:08 PM	#4
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Yes the PV-DV953 is a very good consumer cam, and so is the Canon Optura Xi and Sony TRV70. Just pick one, but try them before you buy one. Personally, I like the 953 and Xi. Also, I believe the Xi is a tad better in lower light. A Lowepro Nova 2 is a good bag for these cams, don't forget a UV filter to protect the lens, buy an extra battery and stick with 1 type of miniDV tape---stay away from the wet lube kind. Happy shooting. Here's a tape link with lots of good tape links: http://www.dvfreak.com/tape.htm Perhaps some other members can give you some further advice, but it is the weekend, you know.

November 2nd, 2003, 02:46 AM	#5
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Sorry, I just re-read your post and saw that I suggested a Nova 2 bag. Make sure that you look at the new replacement model because it has a built-in rain cover, the older one Novas don't have a rain jacket.

November 2nd, 2003, 07:45 PM	#6
Brian De Leenheer New Boot Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Waterdown, Ontario Posts: 13	Fred, I recently tried several cameras (Optura Xi, PV-DV953, TRV-70, TRV-39) versus my old TRV-11 and I found the Xi to be the worst of the bunch in low light. The image and colour were not bad but the autofocus would search around like crazy so unless you are focussing manually, forget it. The 953 was not as bright as the Sony's but the colour was nice and it did not have the focus problems. Ironically enough, my TRV11 was the best of the bunch in low light. In good lighting, I thought the 953 was the best with the Canon a close second. Brian

November 3rd, 2003, 08:33 AM	#7
Tommy Haupfear Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 1,415	I'll second that Canon Optura Xi focus issue. It really does struggle in low light. The Optura Xi also has a problem with high contrast areas like tree lines and blue sky. Where my past cams would show a deep blue sky and clouds the Xi shows a powdery blue with no clouds.

November 3rd, 2003, 07:02 PM	#8
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	How bad is this searching? Is that on a tripod with zooming, panning and tilting? http://www.dv.com/forums/showReplies...&tid=121800015

November 3rd, 2003, 07:48 PM	#9
Brian De Leenheer New Boot Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Waterdown, Ontario Posts: 13	The filming I was doing was handheld panning, no zooming, no tilting but I was not using a tripod. I even noticed the problem in moderately lit indoor scenes. It was bad enough that despite the nice colour, I would definitely not use this camera indoors. Brian

November 4th, 2003, 08:37 PM	#11
Dave Largent Trustee Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,483	Figures about the Xi: it's all those pixels. I don't think the average Joe has much use for a camera that can't be used indoors.

November 4th, 2003, 08:54 PM	#12
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	That's why I'm hanging on to my very older DVL9500 cams. They're great for indoor/low light shooting. The next best thing would be the more costly VX2000. But, no thanks. I need my spare cash to pay for my bad habits. :)

November 5th, 2003, 01:25 AM	#13
Fred Garhart Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Calgary, Alberta Posts: 53	He Ha! I looked into that camcorder case you suggested, Frank. I could not find the new one with the built in rain cover. Then I emailed Lowe Pro, and they replied saying that B&H in New York USA has them. So I called B&H about it and they said they have them. While I was on the phone, I also asked about the Panasonic. They gave me a USA price. Then I called my bank to see how much this would cost me. I just about dropped! I would save over $700 CAN Dollars! What the $3@*!'s going on? Hell! I'm going with B&H. I figure that this old cow poke's goin for it next week. The hell with Calgary dealers. Thank you Brian for that information. The Panasonic PV-DV953 felt and looked like a much better camcorder than the Optura XI.

November 5th, 2003, 02:30 AM	#14
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	This cam is a lot cheaper in the US. Don't ask me why because there is only 1 reason for this. (We get ripped off in Canada---oops, sorry.) If you're going with that order, get an extra battery and a UV filter (for lens protection). You might as well include that with your order. Have you thought about tapes? Fuji tapes are good and you can get them cheap at Super Store. Don't buy different brands of tape: http://www.dvfreak.com/tape.htm Good luck, and have fun!