Flare problems on GS100 with filter attached? at DVinfo.net

Aylwin Cal · August 27th, 2003, 05:44 PM

I don't know. I'm just asking.

The lens of the GS100 is quite recessed but when a filter is attached the glass is up front with no protection from the sun. The same is true when a wide angle converter is attached. I figure this could case problems when filming outdoors under sunny conditions.

I haven't had a chance to try this out yet though. Does anyone have any experience with this? Are there any lens hood options for the GS100?

Patricia Kim · August 27th, 2003, 06:58 PM

Aylwin, Allan suggested in another thread that you can install your filter (presumably UV or skylight?) over the hood that comes with the GS100k. For adding the wide angle, you have to remove the hood - however, you can still put your filter (again, uv or skylight) between the original lens and the WA. Just make sure your filter is deep enough to hold the WA without damaging either. Hoods are really a problem, and if you find one in Japan that will work with the wide angle, let the rest of us know. I told supervideo he can do us all a service by making sure Panasonic knows this needs to be addressed.

Allan Rejoso · August 27th, 2003, 09:30 PM

Alwyn,

I'm not familiar with Nagoya, but you should have at least 1 big electronic (camera) shop somewhere in that major city.

Third party rubber hoods are available in big stores in Tokyo in all shapes and sizes and they're very very reasonably priced.

But first things first, please get yourself a JPY1,200 Kenko MC Protector or MC-UV filter and protect you most valued lens immediately. If you're shooting under super bright Japan skies, then use a Kenko Pro ND4 filter. It also costs JPY1,200.

Regards
Allan

Aylwin Cal · August 28th, 2003, 12:28 AM

Thanks for the replies.

Patricia, my GS100 didn't come with any lens hood. But I have already installed a filter.

Yes, Allan, it's the Kenko MC-UV. Just got it the other day from one big camera shop. :-)

Lately, the weather hasn't been very good so I haven't had a chance yet to shoot outside when it's sunny.

I still have to figure out the lens hood though. I don't remember seeing any lens hoods at the shop that would fit. But then the front part of the GS100 isn't very accommodating. You immediately have the manual focus ring which would make mounting a hood quite difficult. I'll keep looking...

Allan, if you find a suitable one in Tokyo I (and I'm sure a lot of others) would appreciate the heads up. Likewise, if I find one I'll let everyone know.

Cheers,
Aylwin

Allan Rejoso · August 28th, 2003, 12:55 AM

.....my GS100 didn't come with any lens hood. But I have already installed a filter.

Huh? You must be mistaken Aylwin. The front part of your cam (where the Leica Dicomar is marked) is actually a lens hood screwed onto the lens barrel. It also serves to conceal the diminutive lens of the GS100. Try unscrewing the hood and you'll see quite an eyesore (LOL)...but the cam performs so well for its price...so no problem!

The best thing to do is to bring your cam to the shop and find/try the rubber hood that fits best.

Patricia Kim · August 28th, 2003, 12:55 AM

Aylwin, are you sure about the hood? It doesn't look like any other hood I've ever seen, I'll admit. But look at the lens to see if there seems to be an oblong frame around it. If there is, that is the hood. It is actually a separate piece and can be unscrewed and removed. It's not a problem if you're just adding your filter on top of it. But if you want to add the wide angle, you should remove the hood (for one thing, it will interfere with the view you get from the wide angle). This is, by the way, in accordance with the instructions in the manual, so I really would expect your camcorder to have come with the hood, since it is supposed to have been part of the basic package.

Frank Granovski · August 28th, 2003, 02:41 AM

Those new Pana lenses are small because they're Leica---expensive, (lol). I looked at a GS50 and a TRV22 today. The TRV22 lens is so much bigger, lol, even though these 2 cams are roughly the same size, lol. The Sony has the bigger, 1/4" CCD (verses a 1/6 incher), lol, but it has only 340K video effective pixels. (Lol.) :)

But the TRV22 also has an expensive lens: Zeiss. (Lol.)

:)

Frank Granovski · August 28th, 2003, 02:49 AM

For flare-less 540 line performance from your GS100, please remove z Pana lens hood. Screw on z adaptor. Don't put a filter on it, but instead, get yourself a honkin' big after market anti-flare hood, and screw 'er on. :)

Patricia Kim · August 28th, 2003, 03:13 AM

So, Frank, does this mean you've moved into the ranks of those advocating no filter use?

Frank Granovski · August 28th, 2003, 03:34 AM

No. I always keep a filter on on all my camcorders and all my SLR lenses. But sometimes filters can cause flaring, ghosting and vignetting. But a honkin' big lens hood should take care of the sun, plus add some protection to the lens and/or adaptor.

Patricia Kim · August 28th, 2003, 03:47 AM

Well, I had no filter and the hood that comes with the camera was on (of course, it's not honkin' big) when I got veiled flaring, so...

Frank Granovski · August 28th, 2003, 04:30 AM

Another anti-flare technique is to screw on a filter, lens hood or no lens hood, and make sure z sun is behind you. :)

Aylwin Cal · August 28th, 2003, 06:14 AM

Yes, I am mistaken! I didn't realise that that part could be unscrewed. I thought it was just a natural part of the camera casing. There's more to this cam than meets the eye.

Allan, you're right though. It's not the prettiest sight. :)

I guess when I think of "lens hood" I automatically think of a big black rubber/plastic cup. :)

This is really good info for me. At least now I have some idea of what type of lens hood I need. Without the included lens hood coming off I'd have no idea how a 3rd party one could be attached. :)

Okay, off the local camera store this weekend...

Allan Rejoso · August 31st, 2003, 06:28 AM

Aylwin,

Metal lens hood 43mm (Black or Silver): HANSA brand JPY1,400

Rubber lens hood 43mm : MINETTE brand JPY400

Source: Bic Camera Tokyo

Aylwin Cal · August 31st, 2003, 04:17 PM

Thanks for the info!

Only JPY400 for a lens hood? Amazing! There doesn't seem to be as many choices here in Nagoya.

Anyway, I'll try to have a look the next time I'm in Tokyo. And I should also buy you a beer. :)

August 27th, 2003, 05:44 PM	#1
Aylwin Cal Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Tampere, Finland Posts: 38	Flare problems on GS100 with filter attached? I don't know. I'm just asking. The lens of the GS100 is quite recessed but when a filter is attached the glass is up front with no protection from the sun. The same is true when a wide angle converter is attached. I figure this could case problems when filming outdoors under sunny conditions. I haven't had a chance to try this out yet though. Does anyone have any experience with this? Are there any lens hood options for the GS100?

August 27th, 2003, 06:58 PM	#2
Patricia Kim Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Honolulu, Hawaii Posts: 453	Aylwin, Allan suggested in another thread that you can install your filter (presumably UV or skylight?) over the hood that comes with the GS100k. For adding the wide angle, you have to remove the hood - however, you can still put your filter (again, uv or skylight) between the original lens and the WA. Just make sure your filter is deep enough to hold the WA without damaging either. Hoods are really a problem, and if you find one in Japan that will work with the wide angle, let the rest of us know. I told supervideo he can do us all a service by making sure Panasonic knows this needs to be addressed.

August 27th, 2003, 09:30 PM	#3
Allan Rejoso Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Tokyo, Japan Posts: 569	Alwyn, I'm not familiar with Nagoya, but you should have at least 1 big electronic (camera) shop somewhere in that major city. Third party rubber hoods are available in big stores in Tokyo in all shapes and sizes and they're very very reasonably priced. But first things first, please get yourself a JPY1,200 Kenko MC Protector or MC-UV filter and protect you most valued lens immediately. If you're shooting under super bright Japan skies, then use a Kenko Pro ND4 filter. It also costs JPY1,200. Regards Allan

August 28th, 2003, 12:28 AM	#4
Aylwin Cal Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Tampere, Finland Posts: 38	Thanks for the replies. Patricia, my GS100 didn't come with any lens hood. But I have already installed a filter. Yes, Allan, it's the Kenko MC-UV. Just got it the other day from one big camera shop. :-) Lately, the weather hasn't been very good so I haven't had a chance yet to shoot outside when it's sunny. I still have to figure out the lens hood though. I don't remember seeing any lens hoods at the shop that would fit. But then the front part of the GS100 isn't very accommodating. You immediately have the manual focus ring which would make mounting a hood quite difficult. I'll keep looking... Allan, if you find a suitable one in Tokyo I (and I'm sure a lot of others) would appreciate the heads up. Likewise, if I find one I'll let everyone know. Cheers, Aylwin

August 28th, 2003, 12:55 AM	#5
Allan Rejoso Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Tokyo, Japan Posts: 569	.....my GS100 didn't come with any lens hood. But I have already installed a filter. Huh? You must be mistaken Aylwin. The front part of your cam (where the Leica Dicomar is marked) is actually a lens hood screwed onto the lens barrel. It also serves to conceal the diminutive lens of the GS100. Try unscrewing the hood and you'll see quite an eyesore (LOL)...but the cam performs so well for its price...so no problem! The best thing to do is to bring your cam to the shop and find/try the rubber hood that fits best.

August 28th, 2003, 02:41 AM	#7
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Those new Pana lenses are small because they're Leica---expensive, (lol). I looked at a GS50 and a TRV22 today. The TRV22 lens is so much bigger, lol, even though these 2 cams are roughly the same size, lol. The Sony has the bigger, 1/4" CCD (verses a 1/6 incher), lol, but it has only 340K video effective pixels. (Lol.) :) But the TRV22 also has an expensive lens: Zeiss. (Lol.) :)

August 28th, 2003, 02:49 AM	#8
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	For flare-less 540 line performance from your GS100, please remove z Pana lens hood. Screw on z adaptor. Don't put a filter on it, but instead, get yourself a honkin' big after market anti-flare hood, and screw 'er on. :)

August 28th, 2003, 03:13 AM	#9
Patricia Kim Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Honolulu, Hawaii Posts: 453	So, Frank, does this mean you've moved into the ranks of those advocating no filter use?

August 28th, 2003, 03:34 AM	#10
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	No. I always keep a filter on on all my camcorders and all my SLR lenses. But sometimes filters can cause flaring, ghosting and vignetting. But a honkin' big lens hood should take care of the sun, plus add some protection to the lens and/or adaptor.

August 28th, 2003, 03:47 AM	#11
Patricia Kim Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Honolulu, Hawaii Posts: 453	Well, I had no filter and the hood that comes with the camera was on (of course, it's not honkin' big) when I got veiled flaring, so...

August 28th, 2003, 04:30 AM	#12
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Another anti-flare technique is to screw on a filter, lens hood or no lens hood, and make sure z sun is behind you. :)

August 28th, 2003, 06:14 AM	#13
Aylwin Cal Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Tampere, Finland Posts: 38	Yes, I am mistaken! I didn't realise that that part could be unscrewed. I thought it was just a natural part of the camera casing. There's more to this cam than meets the eye. Allan, you're right though. It's not the prettiest sight. :) I guess when I think of "lens hood" I automatically think of a big black rubber/plastic cup. :) This is really good info for me. At least now I have some idea of what type of lens hood I need. Without the included lens hood coming off I'd have no idea how a 3rd party one could be attached. :) Okay, off the local camera store this weekend...

August 31st, 2003, 06:28 AM	#14
Allan Rejoso Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Tokyo, Japan Posts: 569	Aylwin, Metal lens hood 43mm (Black or Silver): HANSA brand JPY1,400 Rubber lens hood 43mm : MINETTE brand JPY400 Source: Bic Camera Tokyo

August 31st, 2003, 04:17 PM	#15
Aylwin Cal Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Tampere, Finland Posts: 38	Thanks for the info! Only JPY400 for a lens hood? Amazing! There doesn't seem to be as many choices here in Nagoya. Anyway, I'll try to have a look the next time I'm in Tokyo. And I should also buy you a beer. :)