NLE Software

Samuel Raj · August 22nd, 2003, 05:42 PM

Thanks Dookee :-)

I will checkin to the link for vegas.

As for as now, i am just looking for a cheapie solution, because i am not going to get into professional work now.

So the cheapest would be to upgrade to XP and use MM2.
I can get from Costco for 94 bucks xp upgrade.

I already have adobe premiere(evaluation), but i dont like much.
I will evaluate Vegas and if its more impressive, as you said, its codec is better, So I will get Vegas later.

I dont think there is direct impact due to FILE32 and NTFS, but yes, its an upgrade, so the management should be better than ME.

Aylwin Cal · August 27th, 2003, 05:33 PM

Samuel,

For 99.95 you can get Screenblast Movie Studio 3.0 from Sonic Foundry. Basically, it's a stripped down consumer version of the more professional Vegas 4.0. The user interface is very similar so the transition to Vegas later is very easy if you decide to upgrade.

Just the other day I upgraded from Video Factory 2.0c and this newer version looks good. The change in product name is because it's now owned by Sony Pictures.

I've been playing around a bit with Movie Maker. It's pretty good and easy to use. However, someone please correct me if I'm wrong, I can only seem to save the movies as WMV. For creating DVDs, I'd want to be able to save as MPEG2. I think AVI to MPG is better than AVI to WMV to MPG.

By the way, SMS 3.0 also uses the MainConcept MPEG2 encoder.

Robert Dixon · December 24th, 2003, 09:31 AM

DooKee Cho,
I looked on the Premiere website under 3rd party hardware and found no reference to the NV-GS100K Camcorder. What did you use?
Rob
<<<-- Originally posted by DooKee Cho : Hi Samuel,

I'm using both Adobe premiere and Vegas to capture DV from GS100 and both working great.
You can capture 16:9 footage using both program. Personally I prefer Vegas because Vegas is much easier than premiere(to give same effect) and it's using mainconcept DV codec which is better (people said but I couldn't distinguish by my eyes though) than MS DV codec which is used by premiere. However premiere has a lot of third party add-on program. I guess Vegas is cheaper than premiere. You can download demo version of Vegas (I guess premiere too!) and test them by yourself. (http://sonicfoundry.com/download/step2.asp?DID=437)

BTW you'd better upgrade winME to XP or Windows 2000. There is a limitation in filesystem with FAT32 and you should use NTFS filesystem. You know 1 hour DV file used to be a 12G file in hard disk. Furthermore XP(2000) has better memory management system which is important to capture DV without drop frame. -->>>

DooKee Cho · December 24th, 2003, 02:30 PM

GS100K uses IEEE1394(firewire or iLink) port to transfer dv files. It uses standard "OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394" so that you don't need to know about the hardware dependency. In Premiere, you can set it as "generic camcorder or general camcorder".

Nuno Vasconcelos · December 24th, 2003, 04:12 PM

u can get vegas 4.0 for about 145.00 .

Lincoln Norris · December 26th, 2003, 10:54 PM

GDAY,

I just thought Id let yah know I am using Pinnacle 8...the ATI Version that was bundled with my ATI Radeon 9800 All in Wonder VGA card....

Captures great and works well....they said on the pack that its a 99$ RRT so maybe you could pick it up much cheaper...

Thats my 2 cents,

Cheers,

Lincoln

Frank Granovski · December 27th, 2003, 12:34 AM

I heard that the slightly older "Studio 7" was better.

Fred Alberni · December 27th, 2003, 06:44 AM

Pinnacle Studio 8 is available from outpost.com for free, after rebates. On the lower right hand side of their home page, click on "Software, Games, & DVD".

Guy Bruner · December 27th, 2003, 07:03 AM

With due respects to Lincoln who appears to be one of the few who have actually been able to make Pinnacle Studio 8 work, do not buy this software unless you have an iron clad, written and legally notarized agreement that you can return it for a full refund. I have every version of Studio going back to Studio DV and version 8 is the worst software I have ever seen...even worse than MS Windows 1.0. In 1 year of trying to get it to work I only made 1 DVD that would play. I gave up and bought Vegas and haven't looked back. If you can actually buy it for the price Nuno says, RUN...DON'T WALK...and get it NOW. Keep in mind that you'll have to buy a separate DVD authoring package. If you can't get it for that price, get Sony Movie Studio. It is a scaled down version of Vegas with DVD authoring.

Robert Dixon · December 29th, 2003, 10:18 AM

DooKee Cho,
Thanks for the ifo regarding Premier support. for the NV-GS100K.

I went to the Vegas site as recommended and dowloaded the demo. Unfortunately I am a neophyte when it comes to NLE editing software. I was expecting some tutalage from the site but but only received the sample program but with no accompanying instructions for a novice such as me.

<<<-- Originally posted by DooKee Cho : GS100K uses IEEE1394(firewire or iLink) port to transfer dv files. It uses standard "OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394" so that you don't need to know about the hardware dependency. In Premiere, you can set it as "generic camcorder or general camcorder". --
>>>

Tommy Haupfear · December 29th, 2003, 10:46 AM

I've had no problems with Priemere Pro and the GS100K.

John Gaspain · December 29th, 2003, 11:47 PM

I like Vegas 4.0 with DVD authoring

December 24th, 2003, 09:31 AM	#18
Robert Dixon Tourist Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: OTTAWA ON Posts: 2	NLE Software DooKee Cho, I looked on the Premiere website under 3rd party hardware and found no reference to the NV-GS100K Camcorder. What did you use? Rob <<<-- Originally posted by DooKee Cho : Hi Samuel, I'm using both Adobe premiere and Vegas to capture DV from GS100 and both working great. You can capture 16:9 footage using both program. Personally I prefer Vegas because Vegas is much easier than premiere(to give same effect) and it's using mainconcept DV codec which is better (people said but I couldn't distinguish by my eyes though) than MS DV codec which is used by premiere. However premiere has a lot of third party add-on program. I guess Vegas is cheaper than premiere. You can download demo version of Vegas (I guess premiere too!) and test them by yourself. (http://sonicfoundry.com/download/step2.asp?DID=437) BTW you'd better upgrade winME to XP or Windows 2000. There is a limitation in filesystem with FAT32 and you should use NTFS filesystem. You know 1 hour DV file used to be a 12G file in hard disk. Furthermore XP(2000) has better memory management system which is important to capture DV without drop frame. -->>> __________________ ROB

December 29th, 2003, 10:18 AM	#25
Robert Dixon Tourist Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: OTTAWA ON Posts: 2	NLE Software DooKee Cho, Thanks for the ifo regarding Premier support. for the NV-GS100K. I went to the Vegas site as recommended and dowloaded the demo. Unfortunately I am a neophyte when it comes to NLE editing software. I was expecting some tutalage from the site but but only received the sample program but with no accompanying instructions for a novice such as me. <<<-- Originally posted by DooKee Cho : GS100K uses IEEE1394(firewire or iLink) port to transfer dv files. It uses standard "OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394" so that you don't need to know about the hardware dependency. In Premiere, you can set it as "generic camcorder or general camcorder". -- >>> __________________ ROB

December 29th, 2003, 11:47 PM	#27
John Gaspain Major Player Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: WA-USA Posts: 371	I like Vegas 4.0 with DVD authoring __________________ The glory of the World passes by.

August 22nd, 2003, 05:42 PM	#16
Samuel Raj Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 210	Thanks Dookee :-) I will checkin to the link for vegas. As for as now, i am just looking for a cheapie solution, because i am not going to get into professional work now. So the cheapest would be to upgrade to XP and use MM2. I can get from Costco for 94 bucks xp upgrade. I already have adobe premiere(evaluation), but i dont like much. I will evaluate Vegas and if its more impressive, as you said, its codec is better, So I will get Vegas later. I dont think there is direct impact due to FILE32 and NTFS, but yes, its an upgrade, so the management should be better than ME.

August 27th, 2003, 05:33 PM	#17
Aylwin Cal Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Tampere, Finland Posts: 38	Samuel, For 99.95 you can get Screenblast Movie Studio 3.0 from Sonic Foundry. Basically, it's a stripped down consumer version of the more professional Vegas 4.0. The user interface is very similar so the transition to Vegas later is very easy if you decide to upgrade. Just the other day I upgraded from Video Factory 2.0c and this newer version looks good. The change in product name is because it's now owned by Sony Pictures. I've been playing around a bit with Movie Maker. It's pretty good and easy to use. However, someone please correct me if I'm wrong, I can only seem to save the movies as WMV. For creating DVDs, I'd want to be able to save as MPEG2. I think AVI to MPG is better than AVI to WMV to MPG. By the way, SMS 3.0 also uses the MainConcept MPEG2 encoder.

December 24th, 2003, 02:30 PM	#19
DooKee Cho New Boot Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Naperville Posts: 17	GS100K uses IEEE1394(firewire or iLink) port to transfer dv files. It uses standard "OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394" so that you don't need to know about the hardware dependency. In Premiere, you can set it as "generic camcorder or general camcorder".

December 24th, 2003, 04:12 PM	#20
Nuno Vasconcelos Tourist Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: pawtucket , Rhode Island Posts: 4	u can get vegas 4.0 for about 145.00 .

December 26th, 2003, 10:54 PM	#21
Lincoln Norris Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Japan Chiba-ken Posts: 42	GDAY, I just thought Id let yah know I am using Pinnacle 8...the ATI Version that was bundled with my ATI Radeon 9800 All in Wonder VGA card.... Captures great and works well....they said on the pack that its a 99$ RRT so maybe you could pick it up much cheaper... Thats my 2 cents, Cheers, Lincoln

December 27th, 2003, 12:34 AM	#22
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	I heard that the slightly older "Studio 7" was better.

December 27th, 2003, 06:44 AM	#23
Fred Alberni New Boot Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Near Seattle Posts: 24	Pinnacle Studio 8 is available from outpost.com for free, after rebates. On the lower right hand side of their home page, click on "Software, Games, & DVD".

December 27th, 2003, 07:03 AM	#24
Guy Bruner Major Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Ashford, AL Posts: 937	With due respects to Lincoln who appears to be one of the few who have actually been able to make Pinnacle Studio 8 work, do not buy this software unless you have an iron clad, written and legally notarized agreement that you can return it for a full refund. I have every version of Studio going back to Studio DV and version 8 is the worst software I have ever seen...even worse than MS Windows 1.0. In 1 year of trying to get it to work I only made 1 DVD that would play. I gave up and bought Vegas and haven't looked back. If you can actually buy it for the price Nuno says, RUN...DON'T WALK...and get it NOW. Keep in mind that you'll have to buy a separate DVD authoring package. If you can't get it for that price, get Sony Movie Studio. It is a scaled down version of Vegas with DVD authoring.

December 29th, 2003, 10:46 AM	#26
Tommy Haupfear Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 1,415	I've had no problems with Priemere Pro and the GS100K.