Using 16x9 AND 30p on the GS100 at DVinfo.net

Michael Struthers · July 28th, 2003, 12:00 AM

Can you use true 16x9 (wide mode??) AND 30p (frame mode??) at the same time on this camera??? i'm confused. Or is it one or the other??

If you CAN do both at the same time, I'm ordering one from pricejapan.

Thanks to all the gs100 experts

michael

Frank Granovski · July 28th, 2003, 01:03 AM

I'm no expert but yes it's true, Michael. You can use 16:9 and 30P at the same time (in video mode, not still mode). Ain't that sweet? My MX300 does it to, but with 25P (because it's PAL).

Marius Burz · July 28th, 2003, 02:15 AM

My shots I've put online were shot in wide mode and frame mode, so it works, right?

Michael Struthers · July 28th, 2003, 10:06 AM

thanks guys. Will be joining the USA owners shortly!

michael

Peter Sieh · July 28th, 2003, 07:13 PM

Does anyone know whether the GS100 gives you true, native, widescreen 16x9? Up until reading about this camera, the only inexpensive DV camera that I knew of that could shoot native 16x9 without losing resolution, (or using an anamorphic adapter,)was the Sony PDX10. I've read the translated specs on the GS100, but I'm still not sure if the camera's chips are capable of providing native 16x9 like the Sony. Anyone know for sure? Anyone try to capture 16x9 footage from the GS100 in an NLE using a widescreen setting? How'd it look? And is the GS100 truly capable of shooting 30fps progressive?

Thanks!

July 28th, 2003, 10:08 PM

Is 16:9 like film? If it is, I'll have to get me one.

Frank Granovski · July 28th, 2003, 11:14 PM

Just like film? Hmmm. Maybe a PAL MX500 in 16:9 and 25P modes. But then you'll need a PAL HD TV to view it like film---well, sort of---and if there is such a thing. Maybe someone else has the answer you are looking for. :)

Marius Burz · July 29th, 2003, 03:00 AM

Peter, download my shots and have a look for yourself.
The shots are in 16:9(wide mode) and frame mode(progressive) and also are in raw DV format, so no quality loss compression(after the DV compression).

http://nv-gs100k.home.comcast.net/Ma...0K_Samples.zip

Bogdan Vaglarov · July 29th, 2003, 09:53 PM

One notice which might be useful to the GS100 owners in PAL countries or the one who would like to convert in post from NTSC to PAL. In such case shooting in 30fps might be not good idea.

Have a look at this link:
http://www.adamwilt.com/24p/index.html#When_to_shoot

You can find lots of useful info on www.adamwilt.com/DV.html
Search fo yourself.

Samuel Raj · July 29th, 2003, 10:04 PM

Looks like that website is against panasonic camcorders!

There are good softwares to convert NTSC to PAL.
and vice versa.

Bogdan Vaglarov · July 29th, 2003, 11:39 PM

Hey, Raj!

The guy is really pro and he owns and prizes the AG-DVX100 Panasonic camcorder in many respects. GS100 is using some of the frame technology of this low level pro miniDV cam.

I know you can convert NTSC to PAL with almost any NLE software - the question is what happens if the NTSC is in 30p mode and you go to PAL wich is 50?

It's not very clear to me too (just took it forgranted) so that's why I provided the link rather trying to explain it myself. Dig deeper - you might be able to make your conclusions.

Regards, Bogdan

Samuel Raj · July 30th, 2003, 10:16 PM

NTSC is 30 frames per second, Pal is 25 frames per second.

No software can give u 100% transform, because of resolution difference. The incompatability is the resolution, framwise, it wont make much difference.

July 28th, 2003, 12:00 AM	#1
Michael Struthers Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: SF, Ca Posts: 421	Using 16x9 AND 30p on the GS100 Can you use true 16x9 (wide mode??) AND 30p (frame mode??) at the same time on this camera??? i'm confused. Or is it one or the other?? If you CAN do both at the same time, I'm ordering one from pricejapan. Thanks to all the gs100 experts michael

July 28th, 2003, 10:06 AM	#4
Michael Struthers Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: SF, Ca Posts: 421	cooooooooooool!! thanks guys. Will be joining the USA owners shortly! michael

July 28th, 2003, 01:03 AM	#2
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	I'm no expert but yes it's true, Michael. You can use 16:9 and 30P at the same time (in video mode, not still mode). Ain't that sweet? My MX300 does it to, but with 25P (because it's PAL).

July 28th, 2003, 02:15 AM	#3
Marius Burz Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: romania Posts: 52	My shots I've put online were shot in wide mode and frame mode, so it works, right?

July 28th, 2003, 07:13 PM	#5
Peter Sieh Tourist Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Mamaroneck, New York, USA Posts: 1	Does anyone know whether the GS100 gives you true, native, widescreen 16x9? Up until reading about this camera, the only inexpensive DV camera that I knew of that could shoot native 16x9 without losing resolution, (or using an anamorphic adapter,)was the Sony PDX10. I've read the translated specs on the GS100, but I'm still not sure if the camera's chips are capable of providing native 16x9 like the Sony. Anyone know for sure? Anyone try to capture 16x9 footage from the GS100 in an NLE using a widescreen setting? How'd it look? And is the GS100 truly capable of shooting 30fps progressive? Thanks!

July 28th, 2003, 10:08 PM	#6
Guest Posts: n/a	Is 16:9 like film? If it is, I'll have to get me one.

July 28th, 2003, 11:14 PM	#7
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Just like film? Hmmm. Maybe a PAL MX500 in 16:9 and 25P modes. But then you'll need a PAL HD TV to view it like film---well, sort of---and if there is such a thing. Maybe someone else has the answer you are looking for. :)

July 29th, 2003, 03:00 AM	#8
Marius Burz Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: romania Posts: 52	Peter, download my shots and have a look for yourself. The shots are in 16:9(wide mode) and frame mode(progressive) and also are in raw DV format, so no quality loss compression(after the DV compression). http://nv-gs100k.home.comcast.net/Ma...0K_Samples.zip

July 29th, 2003, 09:53 PM	#9
Bogdan Vaglarov Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Yokohama, Japan Posts: 366	One notice which might be useful to the GS100 owners in PAL countries or the one who would like to convert in post from NTSC to PAL. In such case shooting in 30fps might be not good idea. Have a look at this link: http://www.adamwilt.com/24p/index.html#When_to_shoot You can find lots of useful info on www.adamwilt.com/DV.html Search fo yourself.

July 29th, 2003, 10:04 PM	#10
Samuel Raj Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 210	Looks like that website is against panasonic camcorders! There are good softwares to convert NTSC to PAL. and vice versa.

July 29th, 2003, 11:39 PM	#11
Bogdan Vaglarov Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Yokohama, Japan Posts: 366	Hey, Raj! The guy is really pro and he owns and prizes the AG-DVX100 Panasonic camcorder in many respects. GS100 is using some of the frame technology of this low level pro miniDV cam. I know you can convert NTSC to PAL with almost any NLE software - the question is what happens if the NTSC is in 30p mode and you go to PAL wich is 50? It's not very clear to me too (just took it forgranted) so that's why I provided the link rather trying to explain it myself. Dig deeper - you might be able to make your conclusions. Regards, Bogdan

July 30th, 2003, 10:16 PM	#12
Samuel Raj Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 210	NTSC is 30 frames per second, Pal is 25 frames per second. No software can give u 100% transform, because of resolution difference. The incompatability is the resolution, framwise, it wont make much difference.