New AF100 footage more controlled at DVinfo.net

Olof Ekbergh · November 30th, 2010, 04:30 PM

Just posted a while ago.

Guy McLoughlin · December 1st, 2010, 09:05 AM

Looks good. Love the color.

I tried to download the 1080P MOV file, but the download limit has been exceeded for today. ( try again tomorrow )

Olof Ekbergh · December 1st, 2010, 06:01 PM

There has been a lot of hysteria about the quality and noise of this camera on certain other forums.

My opinion of this camera is that it is the best sub $10,000.00 video camera I have ever seen. Remember it is not a VeriCam or an F35. It is a $5,000.00 camera.

I have one on order and I think it is revolutionary. I have seen it (a pre production anyway) in person and I was very impressed.

This video is pretty impressive in my opinion. I am sure there will be many more excellent videos from this camera soon.

Paul Cronin · December 2nd, 2010, 07:56 AM

Agree Olof this camera is breaking new ground. But remember this footage was shot in a studio with perfect lighting and with very high end glass.

But for under $10K is will produce very nice 4/3" sensor footage.

Guy McLoughlin · December 2nd, 2010, 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Olof Ekbergh

There has been a lot of hysteria about the quality and noise of this camera on certain other forums.

If you download the 1080P MOV file you can clearly see that something odd is going on with the dark-gray / mid-black tones. The darker blacks are fairly noise free and the lighter tones are also fairly noise free, but something is causing a lot of noise with the black clothing that the models are wearing in Leo's studio film.

The best example of this odd noise is the model on the green-screen background, where her dress has a very noisy appearance but her sun-glasses which are darker look noise-free. I am going to assume that this has to do with camera settings and learning how to optimize them when shooting dark-gray subjects. It's not a deal breaker, but something to watch out for.

What I would like to see is 1080P video of gradated white to black exposure range step chart, to see if this issue is caused by a specific tone of dark gray.

Robin Davies-Rollinson · December 2nd, 2010, 12:35 PM

Is that noise, or actual detail in the dress?

Guy McLoughlin · December 2nd, 2010, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robin Davies-Rollinson

Is that noise, or actual detail in the dress?

Unless she is wearing an electronic dress that can randomly display blocky dark-gray patterns, it definitely looks like noise to me. The strange part is that the noise is limited to a these mid-dark gray tones, and does not appear on lighter or darker tones in the image.

Guy McLoughlin · December 2nd, 2010, 02:41 PM

Based upon Timur Civan's blog entry for Dec 1st and 2nd, the weird mid-gray black noise might have been a black-balance issue. Check out his 15 second video shot at 1,600 ISO with the AF100. ( scroll down the page to find the entries )

Timur Civan Tests the AF100 at 1,600 ISO

NOTE: Timur is prepping to shoot an indy short film in Texas with the AF100 ( lots of location snaps on his blog ), which might be the best test of what the AF100 can really do.

Andrew Waite · December 2nd, 2010, 11:52 PM

Nice! Looks like this Panny just got a few bumps in priority on my wish list!

Olof Ekbergh · December 3rd, 2010, 09:42 PM

YouTube - Panasonic AG-AF101

In german there is footage in the end that is quite nice.

Godfrey Kirby · December 5th, 2010, 03:17 PM

Get a life guys - this is the most amazing footage I have seen, sub £5k, in my whole dicky mint. Sorry about the qualoquilism. Bit of noise in the greys - I'll buy it.
To quote Janis Joplin 'Oh Lord - send me a set of Cooke Super 35's'
OK - maybe she didn't say that.... But she would have.

Don Miller · December 9th, 2010, 12:25 PM

In pure IQ it does look a bit behind the best vDSLR -especially in regards to noise and true resolution. It appears to be higher noise than the newest small sensor pro video cams. That's a bit disappointing, but not too surprising at the price point.

But the features should more than offset these possible negatives in many projects. Assuming one has fast enough glass for meaningful DOF control on the 4/3 sensor.

Brian Drysdale · December 9th, 2010, 01:46 PM

There's a lot been done to that footage, the only real way you can really lock down the actual camera performance is to check the camera recording itself.

Don Miller · December 11th, 2010, 11:51 AM

The downloadable footage from Vimeo is about half a gigabyte and should be fairly representative of what comes out of the camera. But it is a pre-production camera, so I don't see drawing any conclusions. For me it means taking a extra look at low light performance when the camera becomes available.
I'm curious about skew too. I would like to see some fast pans.

Brian Drysdale · December 12th, 2010, 06:45 AM

There looks like interesting options. Especially since the side and top handles are removable and 3rd party manufacturers could do some interesting things.

At the risk of voiding warranty, perhaps even moving the the rear V/F (if the quality makes it worthwhile) to the front, although doing that would add a few grand to the cost..

November 30th, 2010, 04:30 PM	#1
Olof Ekbergh Sponsor: Westside AV Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Mount Washington Valley, NH, USA Posts: 1,365	New AF100 footage more controlled Just posted a while ago. AF100 Demo shot by Leo Ticheli Productions on Vimeo __________________ Olof Ekbergh • olof@WestsideAV.com Westside A V Studios • http://www.WestsideAVstore.com/

December 1st, 2010, 06:01 PM	#3
Olof Ekbergh Sponsor: Westside AV Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Mount Washington Valley, NH, USA Posts: 1,365	There has been a lot of hysteria about the quality and noise of this camera on certain other forums. My opinion of this camera is that it is the best sub $10,000.00 video camera I have ever seen. Remember it is not a VeriCam or an F35. It is a $5,000.00 camera. I have one on order and I think it is revolutionary. I have seen it (a pre production anyway) in person and I was very impressed. This video is pretty impressive in my opinion. I am sure there will be many more excellent videos from this camera soon. __________________ Olof Ekbergh • olof@WestsideAV.com Westside A V Studios • http://www.WestsideAVstore.com/ Last edited by Olof Ekbergh; December 1st, 2010 at 06:55 PM.

December 2nd, 2010, 07:56 AM	#4
Paul Cronin Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 4,048	Agree Olof this camera is breaking new ground. But remember this footage was shot in a studio with perfect lighting and with very high end glass. But for under $10K is will produce very nice 4/3" sensor footage. __________________ Paul Cronin www.paulcroninstudios.com

December 2nd, 2010, 11:52 PM	#9
Andrew Waite Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: Bakersfield, CA Posts: 307	Nice! Looks like this Panny just got a few bumps in priority on my wish list! __________________ http://www.higherdefinitionmedia.com RED One #6135 "Spartacus"

December 3rd, 2010, 09:42 PM	#10
Olof Ekbergh Sponsor: Westside AV Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Mount Washington Valley, NH, USA Posts: 1,365	New Swiss footage YouTube - Panasonic AG-AF101 In german there is footage in the end that is quite nice. __________________ Olof Ekbergh • olof@WestsideAV.com Westside A V Studios • http://www.WestsideAVstore.com/

December 1st, 2010, 09:05 AM	#2
Guy McLoughlin Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 287	Looks good. Love the color. I tried to download the 1080P MOV file, but the download limit has been exceeded for today. ( try again tomorrow )

December 2nd, 2010, 12:35 PM	#6
Robin Davies-Rollinson Trustee Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Gwaelod-y-garth, Cardiff, CYMRU/WALES Posts: 1,215	Is that noise, or actual detail in the dress?

December 2nd, 2010, 02:41 PM	#8
Guy McLoughlin Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 287	Based upon Timur Civan's blog entry for Dec 1st and 2nd, the weird mid-gray black noise might have been a black-balance issue. Check out his 15 second video shot at 1,600 ISO with the AF100. ( scroll down the page to find the entries ) Timur Civan Tests the AF100 at 1,600 ISO NOTE: Timur is prepping to shoot an indy short film in Texas with the AF100 ( lots of location snaps on his blog ), which might be the best test of what the AF100 can really do.

December 5th, 2010, 03:17 PM	#11
Godfrey Kirby Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: London UK Posts: 71	For a camera at this price Get a life guys - this is the most amazing footage I have seen, sub £5k, in my whole dicky mint. Sorry about the qualoquilism. Bit of noise in the greys - I'll buy it. To quote Janis Joplin 'Oh Lord - send me a set of Cooke Super 35's' OK - maybe she didn't say that.... But she would have.

December 9th, 2010, 12:25 PM	#12
Don Miller Major Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 706	In pure IQ it does look a bit behind the best vDSLR -especially in regards to noise and true resolution. It appears to be higher noise than the newest small sensor pro video cams. That's a bit disappointing, but not too surprising at the price point. But the features should more than offset these possible negatives in many projects. Assuming one has fast enough glass for meaningful DOF control on the 4/3 sensor.

December 9th, 2010, 01:46 PM	#13
Brian Drysdale Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belfast, UK Posts: 6,152	There's a lot been done to that footage, the only real way you can really lock down the actual camera performance is to check the camera recording itself.

December 11th, 2010, 11:51 AM	#14
Don Miller Major Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 706	The downloadable footage from Vimeo is about half a gigabyte and should be fairly representative of what comes out of the camera. But it is a pre-production camera, so I don't see drawing any conclusions. For me it means taking a extra look at low light performance when the camera becomes available. I'm curious about skew too. I would like to see some fast pans.

December 12th, 2010, 06:45 AM	#15
Brian Drysdale Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belfast, UK Posts: 6,152	There looks like interesting options. Especially since the side and top handles are removable and 3rd party manufacturers could do some interesting things. At the risk of voiding warranty, perhaps even moving the the rear V/F (if the quality makes it worthwhile) to the front, although doing that would add a few grand to the cost..