SD card problem

Paul Briganti · June 16th, 2010, 02:57 PM

Hi everyone!

I recently purchased two new SD cards for the HMC150 and got this message:

CANNOT RECORD PH MODE AND HA MODE INTO THIS CARD

...so basically i have to shoot in the other modes and none of those offer 24p. I dl'ed the update so that this doesn't happen, and it's still happening.

It's weird because basically the new SD card I got and the old one are practically the same. They're both "2" SDHC.

Are a lot of people having trouble with this? Is there any way to quickly fix it?

Thanks!

Man Yip · June 16th, 2010, 04:48 PM

Question, what do you mean by they're both "2" SDHC? Class 2?

Chris Harding · June 16th, 2010, 04:54 PM

Hi Paul

If they are indeed Class 2 cards then you have no chance of recording at any decent bitrate at all.

You should be using at least Class 6 cards or preferably Class 10!!!

Class 2 cards are way to slow for almost all HD cams..I'm actually surprised that it even allowed you to record at the lower bitrates!!

Chris

Allan Tabilas · June 16th, 2010, 05:26 PM

I've used Transcend 16GB Class6 SDHC cards with great success on a HMC150 in PH or the highest quality mode, so they will work well

Richard Lacey · June 16th, 2010, 06:02 PM

I got the same message when I tried my new class 10 card earlier today.
I think it can be solved by a firmware update - https://eww.pavc.panasonic.co.jp/pro...agree_mace.htm

Unfortunately I haven't been able to try it out as I have no ac adapter.

Philip Younger · June 19th, 2010, 05:48 PM

I've been using Kingston 16gb class 4 at 720p/50 very successfully

Denny Lajeunesse · June 21st, 2010, 01:36 AM

As per the manual, min class SDHC card is a class 4. No higher, no lower, for PH recording.

Higher rated cards make for quicker transfers to you computer.

Chris Harding · June 21st, 2010, 07:10 AM

Hey Denny

My cams came with Panasonic Class 4 cards but I stuck with Class 6 without any issues.

I see that the OP has not responsed so I suspect he is off buying at least some Class 4 cards. At least the firmware is intelligent enough to spot a card that is not usable!!

If you see how cheap Class 2 cards are now, I must admit it must be tempting to try them.

I grabbed a couple of Class 10's a few weeks ago as the price was good (can't resist a bargain!!) they format and record fine without any messages but I haven't tried them on a long shoot. I have a couple of Realty shoots this week so I'll give them a whirl then. If they give me any issues, it's no big deal as I can simply re-shoot with a Class 6 card....just doing empty homes before the tenants move in so to do a room over is simple without any time restraints!

Chris

Jeff Pulera · June 21st, 2010, 02:49 PM

I'm using the HMC-40 and I don't bother deleting files, I just format in camera, only takes about a minute for 16GB. It does say in the manual that repeatedly recording and deleting clips will shorten the available recording time on the card, and that a format will resolve the issue. Just makes sense to start fresh for each job with a quick format, no leftovers, nice and clean.

Jeff Pulera
Safe Harbor Computers

Denny Lajeunesse · June 21st, 2010, 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Harding

Hey Denny

My cams came with Panasonic Class 4 cards but I stuck with Class 6 without any issues.

I see that the OP has not responsed so I suspect he is off buying at least some Class 4 cards. At least the firmware is intelligent enough to spot a card that is not usable!!

If you see how cheap Class 2 cards are now, I must admit it must be tempting to try them.

I grabbed a couple of Class 10's a few weeks ago as the price was good (can't resist a bargain!!) they format and record fine without any messages but I haven't tried them on a long shoot. I have a couple of Realty shoots this week so I'll give them a whirl then. If they give me any issues, it's no big deal as I can simply re-shoot with a Class 6 card....just doing empty homes before the tenants move in so to do a room over is simple without any time restraints!

Chris

What I was trying to say is that you only need class 4. Higher is fine too. :) Just no benefit other than transfer time when offloading footage.

If using class 10 cards, make sure you camera's firmware is up to date as the old firmware wont read them.

I bought my cam last fall and it was already the new firmware.

Chris Harding · June 22nd, 2010, 05:02 PM

Hi Denny

Thanks I realised that!! My Class 10 cards run fine so I assume my firmware is OK..I bought this set of cameras in August last year so that's pretty close to your purchase date too?? When is Fall in Canada??? sorta around Sptember ...that's the start of Spring here.

Chris

Denny Lajeunesse · June 26th, 2010, 02:11 PM

I think I got mine late Sept or Early November.

Chris Harding · June 26th, 2010, 08:28 PM

I actually did a full realty shoot during the week on the Class 10 cards, Denny, and they seem to have no issues at all. All the video was great without any problems and all transcoded nicely down to AVI

(These are just simple inspection reports so they are just on DVD ..no need for anything fancy)

Nice to know the Class 10 cards work...Now we are getting the SanDisk Ultra II HD Video Cards now..The Ultra Cards used to be rated Class 4 but now they are Class 6 and "supposedly" made exclusively for HD Video. Since Sandisk and Panasonic are both part of Mashushita I figured they might suit the cameras... anybody seen them on that side.

Denny Lajeunesse · June 27th, 2010, 01:44 AM

Didn't know Matsushita also owned Sandisc. (Actually Matsushita officially changed their name to "Panasonic Corporation" in 2008).

Anyway. I try now to stick to the industrial rated cards. Sandisc Extreme, ATP Promax and Panasonic gold series (pretty gold series sure are industrial rated but they only state the temp rating).

I've had "normal" cards crack on me. Industrial cards are shock rated at 1000G's and are resin encapsulated.

Intersting note with cards in general. WHile a cards calss may be say 6 or 10, you can have a class 6 with a higher read speed than a class 10, though that same class 10 should have a faster write speed.

Barry Green · June 27th, 2010, 06:43 PM

The "Class" designation has nothing to do with read speed, actually. It's a minimum guaranteed write speed. Class 4 cards are guaranteed to support writing at least 4 megabytes per second, Class 10 cards are guaranteed to support writing at least 10 megabytes per second.

June 16th, 2010, 02:57 PM	#1
Paul Briganti Tourist Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 1	SD card problem - HMC150 Hi everyone! I recently purchased two new SD cards for the HMC150 and got this message: CANNOT RECORD PH MODE AND HA MODE INTO THIS CARD ...so basically i have to shoot in the other modes and none of those offer 24p. I dl'ed the update so that this doesn't happen, and it's still happening. It's weird because basically the new SD card I got and the old one are practically the same. They're both "2" SDHC. Are a lot of people having trouble with this? Is there any way to quickly fix it? Thanks!

June 16th, 2010, 04:48 PM	#2
Man Yip Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 53	Question, what do you mean by they're both "2" SDHC? Class 2?

June 16th, 2010, 04:54 PM	#3
Chris Harding Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 8,441	Hi Paul If they are indeed Class 2 cards then you have no chance of recording at any decent bitrate at all. You should be using at least Class 6 cards or preferably Class 10!!! Class 2 cards are way to slow for almost all HD cams..I'm actually surprised that it even allowed you to record at the lower bitrates!! Chris

June 16th, 2010, 05:26 PM	#4
Allan Tabilas Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 81	I've used Transcend 16GB Class6 SDHC cards with great success on a HMC150 in PH or the highest quality mode, so they will work well

June 16th, 2010, 06:02 PM	#5
Richard Lacey Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Dublin, Ireland Posts: 41	I got the same message when I tried my new class 10 card earlier today. I think it can be solved by a firmware update - https://eww.pavc.panasonic.co.jp/pro...agree_mace.htm Unfortunately I haven't been able to try it out as I have no ac adapter.

June 19th, 2010, 05:48 PM	#6
Philip Younger Major Player Join Date: May 2008 Location: Warwickshire Posts: 207	I've been using Kingston 16gb class 4 at 720p/50 very successfully

June 21st, 2010, 01:36 AM	#7
Denny Lajeunesse Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Kelowna, BC [Canada, Eh!] Posts: 257	As per the manual, min class SDHC card is a class 4. No higher, no lower, for PH recording. Higher rated cards make for quicker transfers to you computer.

June 21st, 2010, 07:10 AM	#8
Chris Harding Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 8,441	Hey Denny My cams came with Panasonic Class 4 cards but I stuck with Class 6 without any issues. I see that the OP has not responsed so I suspect he is off buying at least some Class 4 cards. At least the firmware is intelligent enough to spot a card that is not usable!! If you see how cheap Class 2 cards are now, I must admit it must be tempting to try them. I grabbed a couple of Class 10's a few weeks ago as the price was good (can't resist a bargain!!) they format and record fine without any messages but I haven't tried them on a long shoot. I have a couple of Realty shoots this week so I'll give them a whirl then. If they give me any issues, it's no big deal as I can simply re-shoot with a Class 6 card....just doing empty homes before the tenants move in so to do a room over is simple without any time restraints! Chris

June 21st, 2010, 02:49 PM	#9
Jeff Pulera Major Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Milwaukee WI Posts: 691	I'm using the HMC-40 and I don't bother deleting files, I just format in camera, only takes about a minute for 16GB. It does say in the manual that repeatedly recording and deleting clips will shorten the available recording time on the card, and that a format will resolve the issue. Just makes sense to start fresh for each job with a quick format, no leftovers, nice and clean. Jeff Pulera Safe Harbor Computers

June 22nd, 2010, 05:02 PM	#11
Chris Harding Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 8,441	Hi Denny Thanks I realised that!! My Class 10 cards run fine so I assume my firmware is OK..I bought this set of cameras in August last year so that's pretty close to your purchase date too?? When is Fall in Canada??? sorta around Sptember ...that's the start of Spring here. Chris

June 26th, 2010, 02:11 PM	#12
Denny Lajeunesse Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Kelowna, BC [Canada, Eh!] Posts: 257	I think I got mine late Sept or Early November.

June 26th, 2010, 08:28 PM	#13
Chris Harding Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 8,441	I actually did a full realty shoot during the week on the Class 10 cards, Denny, and they seem to have no issues at all. All the video was great without any problems and all transcoded nicely down to AVI (These are just simple inspection reports so they are just on DVD ..no need for anything fancy) Nice to know the Class 10 cards work...Now we are getting the SanDisk Ultra II HD Video Cards now..The Ultra Cards used to be rated Class 4 but now they are Class 6 and "supposedly" made exclusively for HD Video. Since Sandisk and Panasonic are both part of Mashushita I figured they might suit the cameras... anybody seen them on that side.

June 27th, 2010, 01:44 AM	#14
Denny Lajeunesse Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Kelowna, BC [Canada, Eh!] Posts: 257	Didn't know Matsushita also owned Sandisc. (Actually Matsushita officially changed their name to "Panasonic Corporation" in 2008). Anyway. I try now to stick to the industrial rated cards. Sandisc Extreme, ATP Promax and Panasonic gold series (pretty gold series sure are industrial rated but they only state the temp rating). I've had "normal" cards crack on me. Industrial cards are shock rated at 1000G's and are resin encapsulated. Intersting note with cards in general. WHile a cards calss may be say 6 or 10, you can have a class 6 with a higher read speed than a class 10, though that same class 10 should have a faster write speed.

June 27th, 2010, 06:43 PM	#15
Barry Green Barry Wan Kenobi Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,863	The "Class" designation has nothing to do with read speed, actually. It's a minimum guaranteed write speed. Class 4 cards are guaranteed to support writing at least 4 megabytes per second, Class 10 cards are guaranteed to support writing at least 10 megabytes per second.