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Ricco Jones · April 21st, 2010, 10:52 AM

I'm planning on buying the hmc 150, but i have cs3 which does not edit avchd files natively. i wasnt planning on upgrading my software to cs4 or 5, so i need something to transcode my video from the camera. in past forums i've read that in cs3 ppro, once you transcode the files and try to put them on the timeline, the audio has a slight dropout in it where you butt the clips together. in order to fix it, you then have to put it in something called MTS merger, to have the audio seemless, then you can finally start your edit. whew i'm tired already. now i've heard about CINEFORM NEO SCENE. does anyone have any experience with this software? i'm hoping this will transcode the video and have the audio seemless all in one. help

Guy McLoughlin · April 21st, 2010, 01:23 PM

Download the trial and see for yourself...

Cineform Neoscene

I own both the HMC150 and NEO SCENE, and they work very well together. ( be prepared for files that are 5x the size of the original AVCHD size, but play and edit much more smoothly than AVCHD native does )

David Austin · April 21st, 2010, 02:14 PM

Edius software comes bundled with the HMC150 (see: http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/panasoni...april-1st.html) which will allow you to edit and export/recode your AVCCAM streams. You can use that until you get CS5 since CS5 will eat AVCCAM footage raw with their new Mercury Engine (ok, "reportedly" but when has Adobe mislead us?? :-)

So really both Neoscene and it's expense are superfluous now that CS5 has been released IMHO.

And Guy is very right about the HUGE file sizes created by Neoscene. Go with Adobe.

Thomas Smet · April 21st, 2010, 02:40 PM

Keep in mind we don't know yet what Mercury is going to be like on an unsupported video card. Right now only a few video cards are supported. Also keep in mind that all the video demos I have seen were done with an 8 physical core system with a video card that costs more then most of our editing systems. Heck even CS4 runs well on a system like that. Don't get me wrong, CS5 will be much better, just make sure you have the right hardware to go with it or else you will not get the same results as we all saw in the demos. I have yet to see any videos or benchmarks done with the Nvidia GTX285 which is much cheaper. There may be a good reason why we haven't seen anything yet outside of the blazing Quadro cards used. I'm sure we will know more in a couple of months.

David Austin · April 21st, 2010, 07:12 PM

Good point, Thomas. Hopefully the rest of us non-Adobe employees can run CS5 without having to buy new systems. I hope I didn't sound like an Adobe commercial. I have no association with them.

To the original question though, Edius Neo Booster will do the job without the expense, hassle and storage needs of Neoscene. And it's free with the camera.

David Bowlby · April 26th, 2010, 07:39 PM

Actually, CS4 doesn't really run that great on high-end hardware, it is better, but not even close to what it could be. I have a HPZ800, dual Xeon5590's, 36GB of RAM and an Nvidia Quadro3800 which should just scream...but it is more of a shout than a scream. Sure, it goes faster than my previous Q9550 single quad chip, but doesn't take full advantage of everything on my system. From the demo's I have seen that also run on a similarly configured machine it runs much faster...at least it better:)

Tom Bostick · April 27th, 2010, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Bowlby

Actually, CS4 doesn't really run that great on high-end hardware, it is better, but not even close to what it could be. I have a HPZ800, dual Xeon5590's, 36GB of RAM and an Nvidia Quadro3800 which should just scream...but it is more of a shout than a scream. Sure, it goes faster than my previous Q9550 single quad chip, but doesn't take full advantage of everything on my system. From the demo's I have seen that also run on a similarly configured machine it runs much faster...at least it better:)

wow how much did it cost?

April 21st, 2010, 10:52 AM	#1
Ricco Jones New Boot Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Zachary,LA Posts: 11	cineform neoscene I'm planning on buying the hmc 150, but i have cs3 which does not edit avchd files natively. i wasnt planning on upgrading my software to cs4 or 5, so i need something to transcode my video from the camera. in past forums i've read that in cs3 ppro, once you transcode the files and try to put them on the timeline, the audio has a slight dropout in it where you butt the clips together. in order to fix it, you then have to put it in something called MTS merger, to have the audio seemless, then you can finally start your edit. whew i'm tired already. now i've heard about CINEFORM NEO SCENE. does anyone have any experience with this software? i'm hoping this will transcode the video and have the audio seemless all in one. help

April 21st, 2010, 02:14 PM	#3
David Austin Tourist Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Albany, NY Posts: 2	Cineform Neoscene Edius software comes bundled with the HMC150 (see: http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/panasoni...april-1st.html) which will allow you to edit and export/recode your AVCCAM streams. You can use that until you get CS5 since CS5 will eat AVCCAM footage raw with their new Mercury Engine (ok, "reportedly" but when has Adobe mislead us?? :-) So really both Neoscene and it's expense are superfluous now that CS5 has been released IMHO. And Guy is very right about the HUGE file sizes created by Neoscene. Go with Adobe.

April 26th, 2010, 07:39 PM	#6
David Bowlby New Boot Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Katy, TX Posts: 8	cineform neoscene Actually, CS4 doesn't really run that great on high-end hardware, it is better, but not even close to what it could be. I have a HPZ800, dual Xeon5590's, 36GB of RAM and an Nvidia Quadro3800 which should just scream...but it is more of a shout than a scream. Sure, it goes faster than my previous Q9550 single quad chip, but doesn't take full advantage of everything on my system. From the demo's I have seen that also run on a similarly configured machine it runs much faster...at least it better:)

April 21st, 2010, 01:23 PM	#2
Guy McLoughlin Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 287	Download the trial and see for yourself... Cineform Neoscene I own both the HMC150 and NEO SCENE, and they work very well together. ( be prepared for files that are 5x the size of the original AVCHD size, but play and edit much more smoothly than AVCHD native does )

April 21st, 2010, 02:40 PM	#4
Thomas Smet Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 1,719	Keep in mind we don't know yet what Mercury is going to be like on an unsupported video card. Right now only a few video cards are supported. Also keep in mind that all the video demos I have seen were done with an 8 physical core system with a video card that costs more then most of our editing systems. Heck even CS4 runs well on a system like that. Don't get me wrong, CS5 will be much better, just make sure you have the right hardware to go with it or else you will not get the same results as we all saw in the demos. I have yet to see any videos or benchmarks done with the Nvidia GTX285 which is much cheaper. There may be a good reason why we haven't seen anything yet outside of the blazing Quadro cards used. I'm sure we will know more in a couple of months.

April 21st, 2010, 07:12 PM	#5
David Austin Tourist Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Albany, NY Posts: 2	Good point, Thomas. Hopefully the rest of us non-Adobe employees can run CS5 without having to buy new systems. I hope I didn't sound like an Adobe commercial. I have no association with them. To the original question though, Edius Neo Booster will do the job without the expense, hassle and storage needs of Neoscene. And it's free with the camera.