Matching the HMC150 to a Sony at DVinfo.net

Mark Von Lanken · February 21st, 2009, 12:09 AM

I know some videographers are shooting with the HMC150 and a Sony FX1000 or Z5. I have a Scene File for the HMC150 that should make it look more like the Sony. Maybe it would be better to have a Picture Profile to make the Sony look more like the Panny, but this is what I have.

If any FX1000/Z5 shooters would like to try it out, I would like to know the results. Even better, if you have a Picture Profile to make the Sony look more like the Panny, please share it.

Set the HMC150 to Scene File 1 and change the following.
Detail Coring +1
Color Temp Ach +1
Color Temp Bch +1
Master Ped -2 (+2 Outdoors)
A. Iris Level +1 (-1 Outdoors)
Gamma Cine-Like V
Matrix Cine-Like

Tom Alexander · February 21st, 2009, 12:14 AM

Sounds good Mark.

What do you have for the HV30? :)

Mark Von Lanken · February 21st, 2009, 12:16 AM

Hi Tom,

No, but I have an HV20. I sometimes use it as a fourth camera at outdoor ceremonies or when the lighting is bright enough.

Dana Salsbury · March 5th, 2009, 11:36 PM

Hey Mark,

off subject, but when I try to do a four cam multicam in FCP, the timeline gives me the red line requiring rendering. Of course if I render I cannot multicam. Three cams work fine. Have you ever hit this?

Steve Montoto · March 15th, 2009, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Von Lanken

I know some videographers are shooting with the HMC150 and a Sony FX1000 or Z5. I have a Scene File for the HMC150 that should make it look more like the Sony. Maybe it would be better to have a Picture Profile to make the Sony look more like the Panny, but this is what I have.

If any FX1000/Z5 shooters would like to try it out, I would like to know the results. Even better, if you have a Picture Profile to make the Sony look more like the Panny, please share it.

Set the HMC150 to Scene File 1 and change the following.
Detail Coring +1
Color Temp Ach +1
Color Temp Bch +1
Master Ped -2 (+2 Outdoors)
A. Iris Level +1 (-1 Outdoors)
Gamma Cine-Like V
Matrix Cine-Like

Mark,

Have you heard from anyone about matching these 2 cameras yet? I own a Z5 and am about to purchase a HMC150 to use for my wedding business also. I plan on using the HMC as the B cam and for the Reception footage so I don't get the rolling shutter issue.

I have the MRC on my Z5 and feel more comfortable having backup recording for the Main ceremony part. Im terrified about loosing footage from an SDHC card malfunction that I have read on reviews people are randomly having.

Your thoughts?

Scott Hayes · March 15th, 2009, 05:00 PM

I was working with mine today based on Mark's settings. I found they were too green.
Here are mine:

detail coring +1
color temp Ach 0
color temp Bch +2
master ped -2
A. Iris level +1
gamma HD Standard (found Cine V way too noisey, even outside)
Matrix Cine like

I was matching to my EX1, had both cams hooked up to my Sony Bravia, and
I felt they were really close. Let us know what you find.

Mark Von Lanken · March 15th, 2009, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Montoto

Mark,

Have you heard from anyone about matching these 2 cameras yet? I own a Z5 and am about to purchase a HMC150 to use for my wedding business also. I plan on using the HMC as the B cam and for the Reception footage so I don't get the rolling shutter issue.

I have the MRC on my Z5 and feel more comfortable having backup recording for the Main ceremony part. Im terrified about loosing footage from an SDHC card malfunction that I have read on reviews people are randomly having.

Your thoughts?

Hi Steve,

I have only spent about 3 hours with a Z5, so I don't have any experience in matching the cameras, but it looks like Scott has a good recipe. Using the HMC150 at the reception sounds like a good plan to eliminate the negative side effects of the rolling shutter with the Z5.

I have not experienced any problems with the SDHC cards and the biggest problems that I have read about were when people were not formatting the cards before shooting.

Dana Salsbury · March 16th, 2009, 01:07 AM

What kinds of problems? Does that mean if I fail to format a new SDHC card with the 150 that I could lose the footage?

Mark Von Lanken · March 16th, 2009, 01:12 AM

Hi Dana,

From what I have read, yes, if you do not format the card, you will not be able to retrieve all of the footage.

Dana Salsbury · March 16th, 2009, 03:48 PM

That's a scary consequence for forgetting to perform a menu operation that is not even prompted by the camera when a new card is used. I've been researching these cams for months, and am surprised that their isn't a HUGE warning from Panasonic.

I would imagine that Dazzle could come to the rescue with the plugs on the 150, so that if you could play the footage on the camera you could capture it as well.

Thanks for the heads up, and for your excellent article on the 150 vs the Z1.

Steve Montoto · March 16th, 2009, 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Hayes

I was working with mine today based on Mark's settings. I found they were too green.
Here are mine:

detail coring +1
color temp Ach 0
color temp Bch +2
master ped -2
A. Iris level +1
gamma HD Standard (found Cine V way too noisey, even outside)
Matrix Cine like

I was matching to my EX1, had both cams hooked up to my Sony Bravia, and
I felt they were really close. Let us know what you find.

Thank you for sharing Scott. When the HMC arrives I will test it out with my Z5.

February 21st, 2009, 12:09 AM	#1
Mark Von Lanken Major Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 910	Matching the HMC150 to a Sony I know some videographers are shooting with the HMC150 and a Sony FX1000 or Z5. I have a Scene File for the HMC150 that should make it look more like the Sony. Maybe it would be better to have a Picture Profile to make the Sony look more like the Panny, but this is what I have. If any FX1000/Z5 shooters would like to try it out, I would like to know the results. Even better, if you have a Picture Profile to make the Sony look more like the Panny, please share it. Set the HMC150 to Scene File 1 and change the following. Detail Coring +1 Color Temp Ach +1 Color Temp Bch +1 Master Ped -2 (+2 Outdoors) A. Iris Level +1 (-1 Outdoors) Gamma Cine-Like V Matrix Cine-Like __________________ Mark Von Lanken www.VonWeddingFilms.com

February 21st, 2009, 12:16 AM	#3
Mark Von Lanken Major Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 910	Hi Tom, No, but I have an HV20. I sometimes use it as a fourth camera at outdoor ceremonies or when the lighting is bright enough. __________________ Mark Von Lanken www.VonWeddingFilms.com

March 5th, 2009, 11:36 PM	#4
Dana Salsbury Major Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 859	Hey Mark, off subject, but when I try to do a four cam multicam in FCP, the timeline gives me the red line requiring rendering. Of course if I render I cannot multicam. Three cams work fine. Have you ever hit this? __________________ www.LegacyHDV.com Weddings \| Corporate \| HMC150s \| FCPX \| Encore \| Lion

March 16th, 2009, 01:07 AM	#8
Dana Salsbury Major Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 859	What kinds of problems? Does that mean if I fail to format a new SDHC card with the 150 that I could lose the footage? __________________ www.LegacyHDV.com Weddings \| Corporate \| HMC150s \| FCPX \| Encore \| Lion

March 16th, 2009, 01:12 AM	#9
Mark Von Lanken Major Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 910	Hi Dana, From what I have read, yes, if you do not format the card, you will not be able to retrieve all of the footage. __________________ Mark Von Lanken www.VonWeddingFilms.com

February 21st, 2009, 12:14 AM	#2
Tom Alexander Regular Crew Join Date: May 2007 Location: Ontario, Ca. Posts: 121	Sounds good Mark. What do you have for the HV30? :)

March 15th, 2009, 05:00 PM	#6
Scott Hayes Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Lexington, KY Posts: 692	I was working with mine today based on Mark's settings. I found they were too green. Here are mine: detail coring +1 color temp Ach 0 color temp Bch +2 master ped -2 A. Iris level +1 gamma HD Standard (found Cine V way too noisey, even outside) Matrix Cine like I was matching to my EX1, had both cams hooked up to my Sony Bravia, and I felt they were really close. Let us know what you find.

March 16th, 2009, 03:48 PM	#10
Dana Salsbury Major Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 859	That's a scary consequence for forgetting to perform a menu operation that is not even prompted by the camera when a new card is used. I've been researching these cams for months, and am surprised that their isn't a HUGE warning from Panasonic. I would imagine that Dazzle could come to the rescue with the plugs on the 150, so that if you could play the footage on the camera you could capture it as well. Thanks for the heads up, and for your excellent article on the 150 vs the Z1. __________________ www.LegacyHDV.com Weddings \| Corporate \| HMC150s \| FCPX \| Encore \| Lion