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Kyle Baker · February 16th, 2002, 04:39 PM

Hello !

Curious to know what the world at large thinks of ibm vs. mac for ease of use for professional medium. ediiting, photoshop, and movie softwares for these 2 machines... anybody use the cannon XL1S w/ mac? let me know...

Respectfully,

Kyle R Baker
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Ken Tanaka · February 16th, 2002, 06:08 PM

This is a debate that spins along year after year in forums like this. It's probably been responsible for more hard drive upgrades than any other factor. <g>

Up until a year or so ago the answer seemed to be a self-evident truth; Macs ruled the video and imaging world. But the PC world is quickly catching up particularly in the low-to-midrange front.

Personally, as a nearly 20-year PC-only user, I believe that the Mac is the best overall platform for video editing today. Final Cut Pro 3 is a tremendous tool. Macs have Firewire built into the system's architecture. Editing on a Windows PC is still susceptible to errant drivers and corrupt registry hives. That's why I abandoned Adobe Premiere on a Dell 610 dual processor workstation 18 months ago and set up a Mac G4 editing suite.

But, as I say, you can be happy and successful on either platform. If I was forced into using Windows as my NLE platform I would set up a system dedicated to the NLE and closely kindred tasks (graphics and audio) and keep all other apps on a separate system.

Adrian Douglas · February 16th, 2002, 07:29 PM

Hey Kyle,

in my experience both platforms offer excellent bang for the buck editing solutions. In the end it comes down to personal preference and budget, as both platforms offer low end consumer systems to $$$$$$$$$ systems.

The Mac is a great option if you just want to buy a computer, plug in your camera and be under way. You can start with the new IMac/IMovie for home movies or simple editing. If you want more power go with the G4/Final Cut Pro 3 and you'll be set up for simple editing to feature productions. The bottom line is the Mac is plug'n'play simplicity.

The PC platform offers a much larger range of hardware and software to choose from. This is great if you know what your talking about. If not you can get burn't by a system that dosen't shape up to your expecations. I'm not against PC's, I've been using a Pinnacle DV500 for the past 2 years. It took a lot of setting up, matching motherboards and other hardware to get it to work properly. I have a degree in IT/Multimedia so I knew what to do 'under the hood'. It can be a cheaper way to get into NLE if you have a really limited budget, however IMACs go for a song these days to.

Performance wise, don't listen to the company hype about processor speeds and gigaflops etc, it will just confuse you.

To sum it up, plug'n'play - MAC, computer savvy, like to fiddle - PC

Wayde Gardner · February 16th, 2002, 08:18 PM

Ken-Adrain,

I'm havin' that deja vu thing again. (A glitch in the Matrix...yikes!)

Either performance oriented machine is a good platform. It boils down to what you're most comfortable with.

Not to sound too high brow ( how high brow can you be living in Frisco, Tx, heh?) but... how do I say this...

Your customer/audience doesn't care what computer you use. I don't care what you use! Edit your stuff on a Toyota Corolla!!

It's not about your equipment as it is what you acomplish with it. If people put as much thought into what they're going to shoot as they did what stuff they used, we'd have more XXXXXX (insert your favorite movie here) and less XXXXXXXXX (least favorite here)

TTFN
Wayde

Joe Redifer · February 16th, 2002, 08:21 PM

I have an XL1 and a Mac. They work great together. I haven't used Windows for video editing, but I saw a friend of mine capture some footage from my XL1 (or export to, I forget) with Premiere and he had to tell the program via a drop down menu what the camera make and model was. With the Mac it doesn't matter what camera you plug into the firewire jack, it just works. Or at least I haven't heard of any NOT working.

Robert J. Wolff · February 16th, 2002, 08:44 PM

I am presently using a Mac G-4 dual 800 MzH machine, along with my XL-1s. The transfer via firewire between the two, and, between my analog ag-1960 machines are reasonable flawless. That is, for equipment that is so low priced, the system is hard to beat.

Bluntly, my biggest problem is that when the XL, and I, return home after a days shoot, the Mac dosn't have dinner ready. There must be a solution to this problem out there......somewhere.

Adrian Douglas · February 17th, 2002, 12:22 AM

That's basically what I was saying Wayde, just with a bit more info.

How's the storyboarding going?

Thank's for the script tips

Wayde Gardner · February 17th, 2002, 06:57 PM

I know it's off subject but...

the storyboarding is outstanding!! The best and I mean best thing I did was ask comic book illustrator and long-time friend Carl Braun to help me develop a distinctive perspective.

Some partnerships really click...

Martin and Lewis, Bogie and Bacall, Bill and Monica (sorry Chris, 86 the politics)

I'm launching a new website and plan to have a whole section with storyboard art. BTW Adrain, let me know where to send a really fun script, S.E.A.L.S. and I'll forward you an MS Word doc.

S.E.A.L.S. - Surveillance Extraction And Live-capture Specialists, Ninja Turtles meet James Bond.

TTFN

Wayde

Bill Ravens · February 17th, 2002, 07:17 PM

Rob't J. Wolff...

Yeah, it's called a WIFE. And take it from me, it's easier to make your own dinner...<G>...than to go that route.

ja135321 · February 19th, 2002, 07:14 PM

I'm a die hard PC user but I remember adobe premiere 4 when it came out and it wasn't easy, nor do I want to mix business with pleasure. So I decided to get the new mac. I was on their website and I priced it at about 8k. That included the $2500.00. 22'' cinema screen. Its either this or a vacation.

Joe Redifer · February 19th, 2002, 08:24 PM

Screw the vacation! Man I wish I could get one of those monitors!

John Locke · February 19th, 2002, 08:58 PM

I've been using a Mac Cinema Display for over a year now and can't understand why all monitors aren't at least this size. When you spend hours and hours working at the computer like I do, having a monitor this size really helps battle eyestrain.

It's also helpful to be able to have two or more applications running concurrently and to be able to position the different apps all around the screen, like utility windows in Photoshop. You can imagine how useful this much room is with programs like FCP.

If you use Mac, get your hands on one of these monitors.

Ken Tanaka · February 19th, 2002, 09:13 PM

John,
I abolutely -love- my 22" Cinema Display. Even though I bought mine just before Apple dropped the price (medication and therapy have helped get me past this <g>) I don't regret a penny I spent on it. Honestly, the display could be a tiny bit crisper but I would never notice if it wasn't sitting next to my PC's (smaller but sharper) Silicon Graphics 16:9 monitor.

John Locke · February 19th, 2002, 09:31 PM

<<Ken: Even though I bought mine just before Apple dropped the price (medication and therapy have helped get me past this <g>)>>

LOL. I can relate. I held off on buying my XL-1 for a loooong time, just waiting for the opportune moment to lay down that kind of cash. I was foaming at the mouth to buy it, though, and constantly visited the Canon site to read up on it. Finally, I went out and bought it. Came home, started playing with it, then started wondering about a certain accessory. So, I went to the Canon web site...and what did I see? "Announcing: The NEW XL-1s!"

But that's all behind me now and the doctors say I'm no longer a threat to myself or society (until the XL-2 comes out). ;)

Kyle Baker · February 19th, 2002, 09:58 PM

AfterBurner, hey, i'm in san diego now. Comin from tokyo where I was holed up for the last 3 years... my haunts were yokohama, shibuya, shinju-ku, omiya "for the skydiving" an just about anywhere else over there was hella phat.. I miss the hell out of it, great country. Cherry blossom parties here pretty soon huh?! thats the one thing I regret not getting photo's of ........freefly navigator

February 16th, 2002, 04:39 PM	#1
Kyle Baker New Boot Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: san diego Posts: 22	mac vs. ibm movie maker software, photoshops Hello ! Curious to know what the world at large thinks of ibm vs. mac for ease of use for professional medium. ediiting, photoshop, and movie softwares for these 2 machines... anybody use the cannon XL1S w/ mac? let me know... Respectfully, Kyle R Baker FreeFly Navigator

February 16th, 2002, 06:08 PM	#2
Ken Tanaka Retired DV Info Net Almunus Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,943	Hello Kyle This is a debate that spins along year after year in forums like this. It's probably been responsible for more hard drive upgrades than any other factor. <g> Up until a year or so ago the answer seemed to be a self-evident truth; Macs ruled the video and imaging world. But the PC world is quickly catching up particularly in the low-to-midrange front. Personally, as a nearly 20-year PC-only user, I believe that the Mac is the best overall platform for video editing today. Final Cut Pro 3 is a tremendous tool. Macs have Firewire built into the system's architecture. Editing on a Windows PC is still susceptible to errant drivers and corrupt registry hives. That's why I abandoned Adobe Premiere on a Dell 610 dual processor workstation 18 months ago and set up a Mac G4 editing suite. But, as I say, you can be happy and successful on either platform. If I was forced into using Windows as my NLE platform I would set up a system dedicated to the NLE and closely kindred tasks (graphics and audio) and keep all other apps on a separate system. __________________ Lady X Films: A lady with a boring wardrobe...and a global mission. Hey, you don't have enough stuff! Buy with confidence from our sponsors. Hand-picked as the best in the business...Really! See some of my work one frame at a time: www.KenTanaka.com

February 16th, 2002, 07:29 PM	#3
Adrian Douglas Trustee Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Chigasaki, Japan. Posts: 1,660	Hey Kyle, in my experience both platforms offer excellent bang for the buck editing solutions. In the end it comes down to personal preference and budget, as both platforms offer low end consumer systems to $$$$$$$$$ systems. The Mac is a great option if you just want to buy a computer, plug in your camera and be under way. You can start with the new IMac/IMovie for home movies or simple editing. If you want more power go with the G4/Final Cut Pro 3 and you'll be set up for simple editing to feature productions. The bottom line is the Mac is plug'n'play simplicity. The PC platform offers a much larger range of hardware and software to choose from. This is great if you know what your talking about. If not you can get burn't by a system that dosen't shape up to your expecations. I'm not against PC's, I've been using a Pinnacle DV500 for the past 2 years. It took a lot of setting up, matching motherboards and other hardware to get it to work properly. I have a degree in IT/Multimedia so I knew what to do 'under the hood'. It can be a cheaper way to get into NLE if you have a really limited budget, however IMACs go for a song these days to. Performance wise, don't listen to the company hype about processor speeds and gigaflops etc, it will just confuse you. To sum it up, plug'n'play - MAC, computer savvy, like to fiddle - PC __________________ Adrian DVInfo.net Search for quick answers Where to buy? From the best in the business...DVInfo.net sponsors

February 16th, 2002, 08:44 PM	#6
Robert J. Wolff Major Player Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Adirondacks of New York Posts: 210	Mac vs. IBM I am presently using a Mac G-4 dual 800 MzH machine, along with my XL-1s. The transfer via firewire between the two, and, between my analog ag-1960 machines are reasonable flawless. That is, for equipment that is so low priced, the system is hard to beat. Bluntly, my biggest problem is that when the XL, and I, return home after a days shoot, the Mac dosn't have dinner ready. There must be a solution to this problem out there......somewhere.

February 17th, 2002, 12:22 AM	#7
Adrian Douglas Trustee Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Chigasaki, Japan. Posts: 1,660	That's basically what I was saying Wayde, just with a bit more info. How's the storyboarding going? Thank's for the script tips __________________ Adrian DVInfo.net Search for quick answers Where to buy? From the best in the business...DVInfo.net sponsors

February 16th, 2002, 08:18 PM	#4
Wayde Gardner Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Frisco, Tx Posts: 85	Ken-Adrain, I'm havin' that deja vu thing again. (A glitch in the Matrix...yikes!) Either performance oriented machine is a good platform. It boils down to what you're most comfortable with. Not to sound too high brow ( how high brow can you be living in Frisco, Tx, heh?) but... how do I say this... Your customer/audience doesn't care what computer you use. I don't care what you use! Edit your stuff on a Toyota Corolla!! It's not about your equipment as it is what you acomplish with it. If people put as much thought into what they're going to shoot as they did what stuff they used, we'd have more XXXXXX (insert your favorite movie here) and less XXXXXXXXX (least favorite here) TTFN Wayde

February 16th, 2002, 08:21 PM	#5
Joe Redifer Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 290	I have an XL1 and a Mac. They work great together. I haven't used Windows for video editing, but I saw a friend of mine capture some footage from my XL1 (or export to, I forget) with Premiere and he had to tell the program via a drop down menu what the camera make and model was. With the Mac it doesn't matter what camera you plug into the firewire jack, it just works. Or at least I haven't heard of any NOT working.

February 17th, 2002, 06:57 PM	#8
Wayde Gardner Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Frisco, Tx Posts: 85	I know it's off subject but... the storyboarding is outstanding!! The best and I mean best thing I did was ask comic book illustrator and long-time friend Carl Braun to help me develop a distinctive perspective. Some partnerships really click... Martin and Lewis, Bogie and Bacall, Bill and Monica (sorry Chris, 86 the politics) I'm launching a new website and plan to have a whole section with storyboard art. BTW Adrain, let me know where to send a really fun script, S.E.A.L.S. and I'll forward you an MS Word doc. S.E.A.L.S. - Surveillance Extraction And Live-capture Specialists, Ninja Turtles meet James Bond. TTFN Wayde

February 17th, 2002, 07:17 PM	#9
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	Rob't J. Wolff... Yeah, it's called a WIFE. And take it from me, it's easier to make your own dinner...<G>...than to go that route.

February 19th, 2002, 07:14 PM	#10
ja135321 Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 90	Justed Priced An Apple I'm a die hard PC user but I remember adobe premiere 4 when it came out and it wasn't easy, nor do I want to mix business with pleasure. So I decided to get the new mac. I was on their website and I priced it at about 8k. That included the $2500.00. 22'' cinema screen. Its either this or a vacation.

February 19th, 2002, 08:24 PM	#11
Joe Redifer Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 290	Screw the vacation! Man I wish I could get one of those monitors!

February 19th, 2002, 08:58 PM	#12
John Locke Retired DV Info Net Almunus Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Austin, TX USA Posts: 2,882	I've been using a Mac Cinema Display for over a year now and can't understand why all monitors aren't at least this size. When you spend hours and hours working at the computer like I do, having a monitor this size really helps battle eyestrain. It's also helpful to be able to have two or more applications running concurrently and to be able to position the different apps all around the screen, like utility windows in Photoshop. You can imagine how useful this much room is with programs like FCP. If you use Mac, get your hands on one of these monitors. __________________ John Locke SursumFilms.com

February 19th, 2002, 09:13 PM	#13
Ken Tanaka Retired DV Info Net Almunus Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,943	John, I abolutely -love- my 22" Cinema Display. Even though I bought mine just before Apple dropped the price (medication and therapy have helped get me past this <g>) I don't regret a penny I spent on it. Honestly, the display could be a tiny bit crisper but I would never notice if it wasn't sitting next to my PC's (smaller but sharper) Silicon Graphics 16:9 monitor. __________________ Lady X Films: A lady with a boring wardrobe...and a global mission. Hey, you don't have enough stuff! Buy with confidence from our sponsors. Hand-picked as the best in the business...Really! See some of my work one frame at a time: www.KenTanaka.com

February 19th, 2002, 09:31 PM	#14
John Locke Retired DV Info Net Almunus Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Austin, TX USA Posts: 2,882	<<Ken: Even though I bought mine just before Apple dropped the price (medication and therapy have helped get me past this <g>)>> LOL. I can relate. I held off on buying my XL-1 for a loooong time, just waiting for the opportune moment to lay down that kind of cash. I was foaming at the mouth to buy it, though, and constantly visited the Canon site to read up on it. Finally, I went out and bought it. Came home, started playing with it, then started wondering about a certain accessory. So, I went to the Canon web site...and what did I see? "Announcing: The NEW XL-1s!" But that's all behind me now and the doctors say I'm no longer a threat to myself or society (until the XL-2 comes out). ;) __________________ John Locke SursumFilms.com

February 19th, 2002, 09:58 PM	#15
Kyle Baker New Boot Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: san diego Posts: 22	japan AfterBurner, hey, i'm in san diego now. Comin from tokyo where I was holed up for the last 3 years... my haunts were yokohama, shibuya, shinju-ku, omiya "for the skydiving" an just about anywhere else over there was hella phat.. I miss the hell out of it, great country. Cherry blossom parties here pretty soon huh?! thats the one thing I regret not getting photo's of ........freefly navigator