Problem viewing footage on another cam at DVinfo.net

Jim Benton · November 25th, 2006, 11:56 AM

I just picked up a little JVC cam on ebay to view and capture footage so not to wear out the heads on my XL2. However when I try to view the footage on the JVC a distorted image appears for about two seconds and then disappears. It was shot in sp mode. It's able to be viewed without problems on the canon. Thanks

John Miller · November 25th, 2006, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Benton

I just picked up a little JVC cam on ebay to view and capture footage so not to wear out the heads on my XL2. However when I try to view the footage on the JVC a distorted image appears for about two seconds and then disappears. It was shot in sp mode. It's able to be viewed without problems on the canon. Thanks

May be that's why it was on sale on ebay :-(

Have you tried recording something with the JVC and see if it plays okay with the JVC and the Canon? That would help determine if there is a fundamental problem with the JVC and/or if the transport mechanism needs aligning.

Jim Benton · November 25th, 2006, 02:41 PM

I've tried recording with jvc and it played ok on the jvc, but didn't try playing it on the canon yet. i found some info in the xl2 forum and saw where there might be a slight difference in the heads from one make to another. I'm not sure why all heads shouldn't be exactly the same for mini dv cams though. I'll try playing back the jvc footage on the canon and see, but what i'd really like at this point is to stop viewing my footage on this cam. Thanks

John Miller · November 25th, 2006, 03:32 PM

*Usually* the problem with differences between machines shows up with LP rather than SP.

Kyle Prohaska · November 25th, 2006, 10:02 PM

This may sound dumb and maybe im missing the problem here but what format did you record in? I know that 30p, 24p, and 60i alike are all added to the tape in the same way (unless im mistaking) but maybe that could be why? Idk it could be the heads on the camera you bought, try cleaning the heads then playing the footage back.

-Kyle

Chris Colin Swanson · November 26th, 2006, 12:25 AM

Is it always just the first 2 seconds? I don't know the problem but it seems like you just record 2 seconds before you record what you want. :)

Jim Benton · November 26th, 2006, 06:49 AM

Well, I'm shooting this project entirely in 30p. I just don't think that this would affect other camera's playback abilities though. Yes from what I've seen, it's always around one-two seconds of an image that's similar to one that's experiencing dropout and then it goes black. anyway, the lcd is not working on this jvc either so I'm going to send it back to the guy. I'll probably pick up a cheap canon for playback and capturing in hopes that this will eliminate any compadability problems.

Kevin Randolph · November 26th, 2006, 01:04 PM

Jim,
I shoot with an xl2 as well and have two other cameras (both older consumer grade Sonys). I haven't been able to play back anything other than 60i video on either of the Sonys.

I had called B&H about getting a deck to play back 30p (same as you to save on wear on the XL2) and the guy I talked to on the phone said that there wasn't a deck available to play back 30p or 24p. I alway thought that was a shame and with the amount of 24p footage being shot, a missed opportunity for manufactures to make a little more revenue. I mean who wouldn't like a deck, even if it was $1500, to save wear and tear on a $4000 camera?

Please keep me in the loop if you find a deck or less expensive cam that will handle 30p or 24p playback as well as standard 60i.

Thanks,
Kevin

Garrison Hayes · November 26th, 2006, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Benton

I just picked up a little JVC cam on ebay to view and capture footage so not to wear out the heads on my XL2. However when I try to view the footage on the JVC a distorted image appears for about two seconds and then disappears. It was shot in sp mode. It's able to be viewed without problems on the canon. Thanks

Did you shoot the video in LP mode? that may be the problem...but if all else fails report to eBay that someone sold you a defective item.

Kyle Prohaska · November 26th, 2006, 08:48 PM

The Canon Optura 50 plays back all XL2 footage. I have both and they work wonderful together.

-kyle

Mark Holland · November 27th, 2006, 08:19 AM

I had a similar problem with a GL-1 and it turned out that my GL-1 heads needed cleaning. A drop-in cleaner wouldn't do it, so I sent it back to Canon. Turns out there was a slight alignment problem too.

November 25th, 2006, 11:56 AM	#1
Jim Benton Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: France Posts: 46	Problem viewing footage on another cam I just picked up a little JVC cam on ebay to view and capture footage so not to wear out the heads on my XL2. However when I try to view the footage on the JVC a distorted image appears for about two seconds and then disappears. It was shot in sp mode. It's able to be viewed without problems on the canon. Thanks

November 25th, 2006, 10:02 PM	#5
Kyle Prohaska Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Ransomville NY Posts: 239	This may sound dumb and maybe im missing the problem here but what format did you record in? I know that 30p, 24p, and 60i alike are all added to the tape in the same way (unless im mistaking) but maybe that could be why? Idk it could be the heads on the camera you bought, try cleaning the heads then playing the footage back. -Kyle __________________ Online Portfolio \| Feature Film on XHA1

November 26th, 2006, 01:04 PM	#8
Kevin Randolph Major Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 423	Jim, I shoot with an xl2 as well and have two other cameras (both older consumer grade Sonys). I haven't been able to play back anything other than 60i video on either of the Sonys. I had called B&H about getting a deck to play back 30p (same as you to save on wear on the XL2) and the guy I talked to on the phone said that there wasn't a deck available to play back 30p or 24p. I alway thought that was a shame and with the amount of 24p footage being shot, a missed opportunity for manufactures to make a little more revenue. I mean who wouldn't like a deck, even if it was $1500, to save wear and tear on a $4000 camera? Please keep me in the loop if you find a deck or less expensive cam that will handle 30p or 24p playback as well as standard 60i. Thanks, Kevin __________________ "... the drama is on your doorstep..." - John Grierson www.grvideo.net

November 26th, 2006, 08:48 PM	#10
Kyle Prohaska Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Ransomville NY Posts: 239	The Canon Optura 50 plays back all XL2 footage. I have both and they work wonderful together. -kyle __________________ Online Portfolio \| Feature Film on XHA1

November 27th, 2006, 08:19 AM	#11
Mark Holland Major Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Central North Carolina (Raleigh, Durham, & surrounding areas) Posts: 301	JVC / Canon "incompatability" I had a similar problem with a GL-1 and it turned out that my GL-1 heads needed cleaning. A drop-in cleaner wouldn't do it, so I sent it back to Canon. Turns out there was a slight alignment problem too.

November 25th, 2006, 02:41 PM	#3
Jim Benton Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: France Posts: 46	I've tried recording with jvc and it played ok on the jvc, but didn't try playing it on the canon yet. i found some info in the xl2 forum and saw where there might be a slight difference in the heads from one make to another. I'm not sure why all heads shouldn't be exactly the same for mini dv cams though. I'll try playing back the jvc footage on the canon and see, but what i'd really like at this point is to stop viewing my footage on this cam. Thanks

November 25th, 2006, 03:32 PM	#4
John Miller Major Player Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Hillsborough, NC, USA Posts: 968	Usually the problem with differences between machines shows up with LP rather than SP.

November 26th, 2006, 12:25 AM	#6
Chris Colin Swanson Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Denver, Colorado Posts: 76	Is it always just the first 2 seconds? I don't know the problem but it seems like you just record 2 seconds before you record what you want. :)

November 26th, 2006, 06:49 AM	#7
Jim Benton Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: France Posts: 46	Well, I'm shooting this project entirely in 30p. I just don't think that this would affect other camera's playback abilities though. Yes from what I've seen, it's always around one-two seconds of an image that's similar to one that's experiencing dropout and then it goes black. anyway, the lcd is not working on this jvc either so I'm going to send it back to the guy. I'll probably pick up a cheap canon for playback and capturing in hopes that this will eliminate any compadability problems.