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Andzei Matsukevits · October 25th, 2006, 08:46 AM

hello,

i was wondering, how rock/metal music videos are usually done on singing side. If there is need to stress agression or the bigger movement of lips, do they make the vocals sing slower, and then in the post they speed it up? Because in real time its not possible to move lips that widely while singing.

thanks

Scott McQueen · October 25th, 2006, 08:54 AM

Do you have an example of the lip movement youre talking about? Check Youtube for the video you want to use as an example.

-Scott McQueen

Nate Weaver · October 25th, 2006, 11:55 AM

Andzei,

In general things are done in real-time. If you do off-speed for vocals it tends to add other weirdness (sometimes you may want weird), but in general, no.

Usually the best way to make it look natural is NOT to lip-sync, but to have the person actually sing. Most experienced singers will do this on a shoot intuitively, as opposed to moving their mouth and not making sound. Lip syncing is intrinsically wrong for most performers, so they'll usually want to do as much live as practical (actually play the guitar part, even though you tell them it's not necessary, etc.)

It's just the easiest way to make it look right.

Andzei Matsukevits · October 26th, 2006, 08:31 AM

www.timecodeentertainment.com and choose portfolio, music videos and then Demon Hunter's video, fifth from top.
Specially in the middle/end of song, you can see that it obviously wasn't shot in real time.

thanks

Nate Weaver · October 26th, 2006, 09:46 AM

Oh funny. That church is about 2 miles away from me. It's used in a lot of TV. I recognize it from Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

There's nothing offspeed about the singer in the car. He's just really enunciating. There's a little bit of fast shutter on some of the shots in the car. When he's walking down the aisle, all but 1 of those shots are at about 36fps. You can see he actually is having trouble moving his lips fast enough for those shots, because when you overcrank to 36fps, you have to playback at 1.5x, which is always tough for guitar players and singers to move along with. The wordiest part of the verse (3rd shot) they used a take shot at 24.

Some of the metal guys are just really good at belting it out and staying understandable. Check out the Static-X video on my reel, Wayne is really good at enunciating fast when he wants to.

October 25th, 2006, 08:46 AM	#1
Andzei Matsukevits Major Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: Tallinn, Estonia Posts: 300	singing in music videos hello, i was wondering, how rock/metal music videos are usually done on singing side. If there is need to stress agression or the bigger movement of lips, do they make the vocals sing slower, and then in the post they speed it up? Because in real time its not possible to move lips that widely while singing. thanks

October 25th, 2006, 11:55 AM	#3
Nate Weaver Wrangler Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 2,100	Andzei, In general things are done in real-time. If you do off-speed for vocals it tends to add other weirdness (sometimes you may want weird), but in general, no. Usually the best way to make it look natural is NOT to lip-sync, but to have the person actually sing. Most experienced singers will do this on a shoot intuitively, as opposed to moving their mouth and not making sound. Lip syncing is intrinsically wrong for most performers, so they'll usually want to do as much live as practical (actually play the guitar part, even though you tell them it's not necessary, etc.) It's just the easiest way to make it look right. __________________ My Work: nateweaver.net

October 26th, 2006, 09:46 AM	#5
Nate Weaver Wrangler Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 2,100	Oh funny. That church is about 2 miles away from me. It's used in a lot of TV. I recognize it from Buffy the Vampire Slayer. There's nothing offspeed about the singer in the car. He's just really enunciating. There's a little bit of fast shutter on some of the shots in the car. When he's walking down the aisle, all but 1 of those shots are at about 36fps. You can see he actually is having trouble moving his lips fast enough for those shots, because when you overcrank to 36fps, you have to playback at 1.5x, which is always tough for guitar players and singers to move along with. The wordiest part of the verse (3rd shot) they used a take shot at 24. Some of the metal guys are just really good at belting it out and staying understandable. Check out the Static-X video on my reel, Wayne is really good at enunciating fast when he wants to. __________________ My Work: nateweaver.net

October 25th, 2006, 08:54 AM	#2
Scott McQueen New Boot Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Orem, UT Posts: 9	Do you have an example of the lip movement youre talking about? Check Youtube for the video you want to use as an example. -Scott McQueen

October 26th, 2006, 08:31 AM	#4
Andzei Matsukevits Major Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: Tallinn, Estonia Posts: 300	www.timecodeentertainment.com and choose portfolio, music videos and then Demon Hunter's video, fifth from top. Specially in the middle/end of song, you can see that it obviously wasn't shot in real time. thanks