24p quality? at DVinfo.net

Mike Steele · November 18th, 2005, 12:02 PM

Hi, I'm in the market to buy a vx2000, but I keep hearing all this talk about 24p looks more like film. Does anybody have two video clips that has one at 24p and the other at normal so I can see what the 24p actually looks like?
I'm still a newbie when it comes to this stuff so bear with me. I want to make sure I get the right camera.

Spike Spiegel · November 18th, 2005, 12:42 PM

hi, well you havn't mentioned what you plan to do with the camera in the first place...?

I'm guessing you want to create indie flicks, in which case, you should probably be looking at a panasonic dvx100a or canon xl1s to a canon xl2. You should probably research a lot more on miniDV film making before taking the plunge, as its not only the camera you have to invest in, theres also sound, lighting, post production etc.All of this combined and controled is what gives the film look, rather than the 24p setting. All this, ofcourse, considering that you intend to make films. If not, vx2000 is more than enough for a camera and should fit any category.

Boyd Ostroff · November 18th, 2005, 12:59 PM

Another thing you might try... take a standard 60i (interlaced) video clip, then use the free demo of DVfilm Maker to convert to 24p. This won't have the same quality as a camera that shoots 24p with progressive scan CCD's, but it would give you a chance to look at the exact same sequence in its normal interlaced vs 24p formats.

http://www.dvfilm.com/maker/

There are also a number of other plug-ins and applications to do this, depending on what editing software you use. But DVfilm works on both Macs and Windows as a little stand-alone program.

Mike Steele · November 18th, 2005, 01:08 PM

Well, my plans are to make a dvd encasing a documentary and many action shots, mainly extreme sports (motorcycle riding, skating, bmx, etc)

My friend that was going to sell me his vx2000 said he wanted to move up to a dvx100a. He said that he found out he could manipulate the 24p in post edit, so he decided to keep his camera. I guess that's what I'm asking about.

The post edit 24p isn't the same as the real deal I bet, but is it close enough that I shouldn't have to get a 24p camera? I know yall might say the vx2000 is plenty of camera for what I'm doing, but in this industry (motorcycles stunt videos), there aren't many high quality videos being produced. I want to make sure my product looks out of the ordinary and high quality. Thanks again.

Mike Steele · November 18th, 2005, 01:18 PM

oh btw, this is about the best trailer made in the motorcycle stunt industry. Just to give you an idea of the stuff I like to shoot.

http://www.teamx-treem.net/Video/JDIIITRAILER.mov

Glenn Chan · November 18th, 2005, 10:42 PM

If you're making clips for web streaming, the difference between 24p and 30p may be totally lost on the audience. I can't tell the difference.

On a CRT TV, 60i looks a little weird compared to 24p and 30p. I can't tell the difference between 24p and 30p.

2- In my opinion, 24p is way overhyped. But it does arguably look a little better.

November 18th, 2005, 12:02 PM	#1
Mike Steele New Boot Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Corpus Christi, TX Posts: 10	24p quality? Hi, I'm in the market to buy a vx2000, but I keep hearing all this talk about 24p looks more like film. Does anybody have two video clips that has one at 24p and the other at normal so I can see what the 24p actually looks like? I'm still a newbie when it comes to this stuff so bear with me. I want to make sure I get the right camera.

November 18th, 2005, 12:42 PM	#2
Spike Spiegel Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 429	hi, well you havn't mentioned what you plan to do with the camera in the first place...? I'm guessing you want to create indie flicks, in which case, you should probably be looking at a panasonic dvx100a or canon xl1s to a canon xl2. You should probably research a lot more on miniDV film making before taking the plunge, as its not only the camera you have to invest in, theres also sound, lighting, post production etc.All of this combined and controled is what gives the film look, rather than the 24p setting. All this, ofcourse, considering that you intend to make films. If not, vx2000 is more than enough for a camera and should fit any category.

November 18th, 2005, 12:59 PM	#3
Boyd Ostroff Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 11,801	Another thing you might try... take a standard 60i (interlaced) video clip, then use the free demo of DVfilm Maker to convert to 24p. This won't have the same quality as a camera that shoots 24p with progressive scan CCD's, but it would give you a chance to look at the exact same sequence in its normal interlaced vs 24p formats. http://www.dvfilm.com/maker/ There are also a number of other plug-ins and applications to do this, depending on what editing software you use. But DVfilm works on both Macs and Windows as a little stand-alone program.

November 18th, 2005, 01:08 PM	#4
Mike Steele New Boot Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Corpus Christi, TX Posts: 10	Well, my plans are to make a dvd encasing a documentary and many action shots, mainly extreme sports (motorcycle riding, skating, bmx, etc) My friend that was going to sell me his vx2000 said he wanted to move up to a dvx100a. He said that he found out he could manipulate the 24p in post edit, so he decided to keep his camera. I guess that's what I'm asking about. The post edit 24p isn't the same as the real deal I bet, but is it close enough that I shouldn't have to get a 24p camera? I know yall might say the vx2000 is plenty of camera for what I'm doing, but in this industry (motorcycles stunt videos), there aren't many high quality videos being produced. I want to make sure my product looks out of the ordinary and high quality. Thanks again.

November 18th, 2005, 01:18 PM	#5
Mike Steele New Boot Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Corpus Christi, TX Posts: 10	oh btw, this is about the best trailer made in the motorcycle stunt industry. Just to give you an idea of the stuff I like to shoot. http://www.teamx-treem.net/Video/JDIIITRAILER.mov

November 18th, 2005, 10:42 PM	#6
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	If you're making clips for web streaming, the difference between 24p and 30p may be totally lost on the audience. I can't tell the difference. On a CRT TV, 60i looks a little weird compared to 24p and 30p. I can't tell the difference between 24p and 30p. 2- In my opinion, 24p is way overhyped. But it does arguably look a little better.