What equipment is good for this type of camera movement?

Brian Drysdale · June 24th, 2019, 02:04 PM

Grips use WD40 for those track squeaks on metal tracks.

Brian Drysdale · June 25th, 2019, 01:13 AM

There are harder and softer wheels/casters available, the softer ones tending to be quieter. A google search will reveal different suppliers of quieter wheels and their characteristics.

Baby powder and Pledge are also used quietening wheels on tracks.

This product looks interesting for a lower budget dolly system, Long Valley Equipment | products There's a home build version, for which they supply the hardware.

Paul R Johnson · June 25th, 2019, 02:41 AM

Ryan's done his usual thing and ducked out, getting ready to start another topic on a different subject.

The good thing though, is that these big topics will probably help other people as there is plenty of useful information in it (and the others)

Pete Cofrancesco · June 25th, 2019, 06:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul R Johnson

Ryan's done his usual thing and ducked out, getting ready to start another topic on a different subject.

The good thing though, is that these big topics will probably help other people as there is plenty of useful information in it (and the others)

crane shot? special effects? green screen? rotoscoping? drone? lighting?

It’s funny at the start of these threads I’m thinking to myself here we go again but by the end someone has posted something interesting.

Btw I saw an animated gif of a crash zoom and I thought of Ryan
https://media0.giphy.com/media/IX89WTEnYgvM4/giphy.gif

Christopher Young · June 28th, 2019, 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan Wray

I already know a gimbal operator but I find that when it comes to doing very slow movements, the gimbal does not seem to as smooth for those, unless I'm wrong?

One of the smoothest combos is to use a gimbal combined with a jib. A la so or so or with a compact but with 65 cm of movement double action slider:

watch the video on this page:

https://www.haguecamerasupports.com/...-camera-slider

Chris Young

Paul R Johnson · June 28th, 2019, 11:05 AM

Chris - is anything weird with the video file - I'm getting warnings and now a blank screen on my Mac - it made me install an update, then still won't play it?

Christopher Young · June 28th, 2019, 11:14 AM

No no Vimeo problems here Paul? Just tried the link again and all is good with Vimeo this end.

Also have a look at the double action Hague unit, a UK product. Just added it to my post.

https://www.haguecamerasupports.com/...-camera-slider

Chris Young

Paul R Johnson · June 28th, 2019, 12:31 PM

Cheers Chris - the link works fine, ta!

I'm trying to think what I could do to produce that quite specific look without a parallel tracking slider. I wonder if I could replicate the effect with a jib and very careful panning? If we het the heat wave next week, I might try some of the junk laying around my house and see if any function as a smooth tracking system.

Michael Stevenson · June 28th, 2019, 04:45 PM

For the 2nd time, that is a Steadicam shot. You can find the operator who did it on the Steadicam Operators Association site and ask him yourself.

Brian Drysdale · June 28th, 2019, 06:08 PM

I suspect in this thread there's less of how a shot was originally filmed and more about other methods, especially using Ryan's limited equipment options.

It doesn't look like a Steadicam shot to me (unless it's hard mounted on a dolly), more likely a dolly or other camera mount. There are a number of ways to shoot it, but a dolly on a circular track would be the most simple.

Christopher Young · June 29th, 2019, 01:34 AM

A bit off topic but I am sorely tempted by this slider. Multi Slider, the fact that it is bendable, smallish, portable and super flexible gets me for sure. Not cheap but take a look at the video on this page:

https://www.waterbird.at/update-blog/7-range-of-use

Home page here:

https://www.diyphotography.net/multi...camera-slider/

Interview here:

https://www.diyphotography.net/multi...camera-slider/

Chris Young

Paul R Johnson · June 29th, 2019, 02:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Stevenson

For the 2nd time, that is a Steadicam shot. You can find the operator who did it on the Steadicam Operators Association site and ask him yourself.

I’m glad you said that. Thought my judgement was going!!

Brian Drysdale · June 29th, 2019, 05:27 AM

Unless there was a lack of space, I would go for a dolly over a Steadicam for a very slow 180 degree shot like that as much as I enjoyed doing slow dolly style shots with a Steadicam.

Regardless, the skill levels required are way beyond what Ryan and his crew are currently capable of with a Steadicam or seemingly equipped for.

Brian Drysdale · June 30th, 2019, 02:52 AM

Another thought regarding the Steadicam in this case is the operator's shadow on a sitting subject. The operator will usually be standing, so restricting the lighting on the subject during a 180 degree shot if you wish to avoid casting their shadow at some point during the move.

Paul R Johnson · June 30th, 2019, 05:58 AM

I'll admit I didn't spend much time on this, but I took the camera today and tried some 'bodged' tracking shots. No messing, no speed changes, no stabilisation - just pressed record. One indoors, one outside.

https://vimeo.com/user616661/review/...177/cea46d8751

June 24th, 2019, 02:04 PM	#31
Brian Drysdale Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belfast, UK Posts: 6,156	Re: What equipment is good for this type of camera movement? Grips use WD40 for those track squeaks on metal tracks.

June 25th, 2019, 01:13 AM	#32
Brian Drysdale Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belfast, UK Posts: 6,156	Re: What equipment is good for this type of camera movement? There are harder and softer wheels/casters available, the softer ones tending to be quieter. A google search will reveal different suppliers of quieter wheels and their characteristics. Baby powder and Pledge are also used quietening wheels on tracks. This product looks interesting for a lower budget dolly system, Long Valley Equipment \| products There's a home build version, for which they supply the hardware.

June 25th, 2019, 02:41 AM	#33
Paul R Johnson Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Lowestoft - UK Posts: 4,049	Re: What equipment is good for this type of camera movement? Ryan's done his usual thing and ducked out, getting ready to start another topic on a different subject. The good thing though, is that these big topics will probably help other people as there is plenty of useful information in it (and the others)

June 28th, 2019, 11:05 AM	#36
Paul R Johnson Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Lowestoft - UK Posts: 4,049	Re: What equipment is good for this type of camera movement? Chris - is anything weird with the video file - I'm getting warnings and now a blank screen on my Mac - it made me install an update, then still won't play it?

June 28th, 2019, 11:14 AM	#37
Christopher Young Trustee Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 1,579	Re: What equipment is good for this type of camera movement? No no Vimeo problems here Paul? Just tried the link again and all is good with Vimeo this end. Also have a look at the double action Hague unit, a UK product. Just added it to my post. https://www.haguecamerasupports.com/...-camera-slider Chris Young

June 28th, 2019, 12:31 PM	#38
Paul R Johnson Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Lowestoft - UK Posts: 4,049	Re: What equipment is good for this type of camera movement? Cheers Chris - the link works fine, ta! I'm trying to think what I could do to produce that quite specific look without a parallel tracking slider. I wonder if I could replicate the effect with a jib and very careful panning? If we het the heat wave next week, I might try some of the junk laying around my house and see if any function as a smooth tracking system.

June 28th, 2019, 04:45 PM	#39
Michael Stevenson Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Lynnwood, WA Posts: 98	Re: What equipment is good for this type of camera movement? For the 2nd time, that is a Steadicam shot. You can find the operator who did it on the Steadicam Operators Association site and ask him yourself. __________________ Michael Stevenson

June 28th, 2019, 06:08 PM	#40
Brian Drysdale Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belfast, UK Posts: 6,156	Re: What equipment is good for this type of camera movement? I suspect in this thread there's less of how a shot was originally filmed and more about other methods, especially using Ryan's limited equipment options. It doesn't look like a Steadicam shot to me (unless it's hard mounted on a dolly), more likely a dolly or other camera mount. There are a number of ways to shoot it, but a dolly on a circular track would be the most simple.

June 29th, 2019, 01:34 AM	#41
Christopher Young Trustee Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 1,579	Re: What equipment is good for this type of camera movement? A bit off topic but I am sorely tempted by this slider. Multi Slider, the fact that it is bendable, smallish, portable and super flexible gets me for sure. Not cheap but take a look at the video on this page: https://www.waterbird.at/update-blog/7-range-of-use Home page here: https://www.diyphotography.net/multi...camera-slider/ Interview here: https://www.diyphotography.net/multi...camera-slider/ Chris Young Last edited by Christopher Young; June 29th, 2019 at 01:38 AM. Reason: added url

June 29th, 2019, 05:27 AM	#43
Brian Drysdale Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belfast, UK Posts: 6,156	Re: What equipment is good for this type of camera movement? Unless there was a lack of space, I would go for a dolly over a Steadicam for a very slow 180 degree shot like that as much as I enjoyed doing slow dolly style shots with a Steadicam. Regardless, the skill levels required are way beyond what Ryan and his crew are currently capable of with a Steadicam or seemingly equipped for.

June 30th, 2019, 02:52 AM	#44
Brian Drysdale Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belfast, UK Posts: 6,156	Re: What equipment is good for this type of camera movement? Another thought regarding the Steadicam in this case is the operator's shadow on a sitting subject. The operator will usually be standing, so restricting the lighting on the subject during a 180 degree shot if you wish to avoid casting their shadow at some point during the move.

June 30th, 2019, 05:58 AM	#45
Paul R Johnson Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Lowestoft - UK Posts: 4,049	Re: What equipment is good for this type of camera movement? I'll admit I didn't spend much time on this, but I took the camera today and tried some 'bodged' tracking shots. No messing, no speed changes, no stabilisation - just pressed record. One indoors, one outside. https://vimeo.com/user616661/review/...177/cea46d8751