Anybody know where the image of this security camera compare? at DVinfo.net

Darin Aho · September 17th, 2005, 03:46 PM

TV-CSHRL
Color High Resolution Sony 1/3" Ex-View CS Lens Mount CCD Camera
* LATEST revision Sony 1/3" Ex-View CCD
* Brilliant 480 horizontal TV lines of resolution
* Incredible 0.05 lux low light rating delivers crisp video in vivid COLOR!
* Compatible with any C- or CS-mount type lens
* Versatile 12v DC OR 24v AC power requirements

or

TV-CSHR
Color High Resolution Sony 1/3" SuperHAD (G5) CS Lens Mount CCD Camera
* LATEST revision Sony 1/3" SuperHAD CCD
* Brilliant 480 horizontal TV lines of resolution
* Low 0.5 lux low light rating delivers vivid COLOR video in low light conditions
* Compatible with any C- or CS-mount type lens
* Versatile 12v DC OR 24v AC power requirements

Would the two security cameras listed above be comparable to a $300 JVC? A Panasonic GS150? A Panasonic GS400? An XL1S (in low light)?

I'm thinking out of the box I know, but, I'm thinking of using one of these as a 2nd or 3rd camera for events. Something I'd put up in front to get the shot if all else fails (probably really only for my own peace of mind). The reason why I'm even considering this is because of the fact that I'm using an XL1S, can't afford to buy a PD150 / VX2000, and I'm rescuing low-light footage from my last event in Final Cut now.

I've done a bit of research and now I'm wondering... Have security cameras gotten good enough to use where a DV camera just doesn't have the light required to look great?

If so and the two cameras above aren't what I should be looking for, what would be some recommendations?

Thanks for any input,
Darin

Boyd Ostroff · September 17th, 2005, 03:53 PM

I don't know anything about those models, but how would you record from them? Do they support firewire (ieee-1394)? Otherwise you'll need a way to record the analog signal. And in either case you'll need some sort of tape deck. By the time you're done I'll bet you'd be better off using a camcorder that puts everything in one package.

Darin Aho · September 17th, 2005, 04:59 PM

I guess I'm really just trying to start with a broad range of solutions and narrow down...

I'll probably be buying a Panasonic GS250 or maybe a < $1000 range Sony...
for my backup cam, but before I do that I'm looking into other solutions ( especially since this solution doesn't work any better in low light than my XL1S...)

So here it is, I have junk DV camera's hanging around that would work as a deck. The 2 security cams I listed use BNC / RCA plugs. There are security / special purpose cameras that use Firewire.
Ex. http://www.cohu-cameras.com/products/7700.htm (I don't think this particular camera would work for my application, though)

Basically I don't have a large crew so an unmanned security camera hooked up to a RCA DVR2160 DVR or old DV camera set to VCR as a deck would help me out if the image looked good enough to cut in with my footage.

I'm probably dreaming, but, I have a wedding coming up and I'm thinking this may be a good way of actually capturing the exchange of rings without looking like I'm trying to get in the middle of everything.

Here's the quote that got me thinking ( I don't want to post the site as it's in the business of selling and it's not a sponser of dvinfo) :

This is an exciting time for video and, to no real surprise- Sony Semiconductor, Japan has once again led the way. The very instant that we evaluated the newest upgrades in color SuperHAD technology, ...

There is not a single customer in since arrival who has been anything less than thrilled with these new units. Please give them a try- they are truly the best we've ever seen by FAR. They are providing the most CRISP and VIBRANT colors imaginable.... way beyond our expectation or even desire. And when the lights go dim and most color cameras go barely visible (if not totally dark)- these units EXCEL. It would be interesting to see how much better this technology could even get at this point- it's just that great.

So is this really some big whoop? Or just marketing? Now how good does security video have to get before it can be cut in with prosumer grade DV without everybody noticing that the footage just got horrible? Especially when we're talking a low light situation where my XL1S isn't great, by no means... Gotta' love Final Cut though...

Darin Aho · September 17th, 2005, 05:30 PM

Some links to other special application cameras that I'm considering... I couldn't find anything like these on this sites sponser pages so I'm posting... Feel free to delete this post if it violates any rules...

http://www.eyespyvideo.com/faq/specsvquality.htm

http://www.helmetcamera.com/store/pr...l.php?prod=560

http://www.viotac.com/store/customer...scout_overview

http://www.jonescam.tv/productInfo.p...bed6e29db6a173

I posted these only because I would like input on whether or not these are viable for cutting in with my camera. Some of the gallery shots were rather impressive to me.

Pat Sherman · September 17th, 2005, 06:20 PM

TV-CSHRL

Looks like that has the better low light rating.. So in the security world I would think low light ratings would be of benefit unless you have infared cameras.. Other than than the specs look pretty much the same..

In any case both models look like you will still need to buy the lenses for them. They are also are not weather proof in case you wanted to mount them outside.

http://www.eyespyvideo.com/faq/color...risonchart.htm

Spec Sheet:
http://www.eyespyvideo.com/pdfdownlo...-cshrlinfo.pdf

Dan Euritt · September 18th, 2005, 02:03 PM

i would not spend any $$ a single-chip camera... put the money towards one of those cheap 3-ccd panasonic cameras, they are priced way under $1k now.

Darin Aho · September 19th, 2005, 01:06 AM

Dan,

I checked out the links under your sig. Have you mounted cams in sand rails, race cars, etc? I guess you'd be the one to know what works and what doesn't.

For instance, on board with Ricky De La Cruz... What kinda' setup is that?
b.t.w. It's fun footage to watch :)

Dan Euritt · September 19th, 2005, 10:59 AM

yes, i shot all the footage that's on my websites... if you like the onboard camera, take a look at the motorcycle footage dan s. posted here: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=50622

these new small 3-ccd cameras have busted everything wide open... i have been using an old sony xc-999 lipstick camera for the onboard stuff, but it only has a single ccd, no audio, and no recording capability... this new technology is the way to go!

September 17th, 2005, 03:46 PM	#1
Darin Aho Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Fitchburg, MA Posts: 25	Anybody know where the image of this security camera compare? TV-CSHRL Color High Resolution Sony 1/3" Ex-View CS Lens Mount CCD Camera * LATEST revision Sony 1/3" Ex-View CCD * Brilliant 480 horizontal TV lines of resolution * Incredible 0.05 lux low light rating delivers crisp video in vivid COLOR! * Compatible with any C- or CS-mount type lens * Versatile 12v DC OR 24v AC power requirements or TV-CSHR Color High Resolution Sony 1/3" SuperHAD (G5) CS Lens Mount CCD Camera * LATEST revision Sony 1/3" SuperHAD CCD * Brilliant 480 horizontal TV lines of resolution * Low 0.5 lux low light rating delivers vivid COLOR video in low light conditions * Compatible with any C- or CS-mount type lens * Versatile 12v DC OR 24v AC power requirements Would the two security cameras listed above be comparable to a $300 JVC? A Panasonic GS150? A Panasonic GS400? An XL1S (in low light)? I'm thinking out of the box I know, but, I'm thinking of using one of these as a 2nd or 3rd camera for events. Something I'd put up in front to get the shot if all else fails (probably really only for my own peace of mind). The reason why I'm even considering this is because of the fact that I'm using an XL1S, can't afford to buy a PD150 / VX2000, and I'm rescuing low-light footage from my last event in Final Cut now. I've done a bit of research and now I'm wondering... Have security cameras gotten good enough to use where a DV camera just doesn't have the light required to look great? If so and the two cameras above aren't what I should be looking for, what would be some recommendations? Thanks for any input, Darin

September 17th, 2005, 05:30 PM	#4
Darin Aho Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Fitchburg, MA Posts: 25	Some links to other special application cameras that I'm considering... I couldn't find anything like these on this sites sponser pages so I'm posting... Feel free to delete this post if it violates any rules... http://www.eyespyvideo.com/faq/specsvquality.htm http://www.helmetcamera.com/store/pr...l.php?prod=560 http://www.viotac.com/store/customer...scout_overview http://www.jonescam.tv/productInfo.p...bed6e29db6a173 I posted these only because I would like input on whether or not these are viable for cutting in with my camera. Some of the gallery shots were rather impressive to me. Last edited by Darin Aho; September 17th, 2005 at 05:49 PM. Reason: explanation for my post

September 17th, 2005, 03:53 PM	#2
Boyd Ostroff Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 11,802	I don't know anything about those models, but how would you record from them? Do they support firewire (ieee-1394)? Otherwise you'll need a way to record the analog signal. And in either case you'll need some sort of tape deck. By the time you're done I'll bet you'd be better off using a camcorder that puts everything in one package.

September 17th, 2005, 04:59 PM	#3
Darin Aho Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Fitchburg, MA Posts: 25	I guess I'm really just trying to start with a broad range of solutions and narrow down... I'll probably be buying a Panasonic GS250 or maybe a < $1000 range Sony... for my backup cam, but before I do that I'm looking into other solutions ( especially since this solution doesn't work any better in low light than my XL1S...) So here it is, I have junk DV camera's hanging around that would work as a deck. The 2 security cams I listed use BNC / RCA plugs. There are security / special purpose cameras that use Firewire. Ex. http://www.cohu-cameras.com/products/7700.htm (I don't think this particular camera would work for my application, though) Basically I don't have a large crew so an unmanned security camera hooked up to a RCA DVR2160 DVR or old DV camera set to VCR as a deck would help me out if the image looked good enough to cut in with my footage. I'm probably dreaming, but, I have a wedding coming up and I'm thinking this may be a good way of actually capturing the exchange of rings without looking like I'm trying to get in the middle of everything. Here's the quote that got me thinking ( I don't want to post the site as it's in the business of selling and it's not a sponser of dvinfo) : This is an exciting time for video and, to no real surprise- Sony Semiconductor, Japan has once again led the way. The very instant that we evaluated the newest upgrades in color SuperHAD technology, ... There is not a single customer in since arrival who has been anything less than thrilled with these new units. Please give them a try- they are truly the best we've ever seen by FAR. They are providing the most CRISP and VIBRANT colors imaginable.... way beyond our expectation or even desire. And when the lights go dim and most color cameras go barely visible (if not totally dark)- these units EXCEL. It would be interesting to see how much better this technology could even get at this point- it's just that great. So is this really some big whoop? Or just marketing? Now how good does security video have to get before it can be cut in with prosumer grade DV without everybody noticing that the footage just got horrible? Especially when we're talking a low light situation where my XL1S isn't great, by no means... Gotta' love Final Cut though...

September 17th, 2005, 06:20 PM	#5
Pat Sherman Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: DuPont, Wa Posts: 325	TV-CSHRL Looks like that has the better low light rating.. So in the security world I would think low light ratings would be of benefit unless you have infared cameras.. Other than than the specs look pretty much the same.. In any case both models look like you will still need to buy the lenses for them. They are also are not weather proof in case you wanted to mount them outside. http://www.eyespyvideo.com/faq/color...risonchart.htm Spec Sheet: http://www.eyespyvideo.com/pdfdownlo...-cshrlinfo.pdf

September 18th, 2005, 02:03 PM	#6
Dan Euritt Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Carlsbad CA Posts: 1,132	i would not spend any $$ a single-chip camera... put the money towards one of those cheap 3-ccd panasonic cameras, they are priced way under $1k now.

September 19th, 2005, 01:06 AM	#7
Darin Aho Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Fitchburg, MA Posts: 25	Dan, I checked out the links under your sig. Have you mounted cams in sand rails, race cars, etc? I guess you'd be the one to know what works and what doesn't. For instance, on board with Ricky De La Cruz... What kinda' setup is that? b.t.w. It's fun footage to watch :)

September 19th, 2005, 10:59 AM	#8
Dan Euritt Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Carlsbad CA Posts: 1,132	yes, i shot all the footage that's on my websites... if you like the onboard camera, take a look at the motorcycle footage dan s. posted here: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=50622 these new small 3-ccd cameras have busted everything wide open... i have been using an old sony xc-999 lipstick camera for the onboard stuff, but it only has a single ccd, no audio, and no recording capability... this new technology is the way to go!