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Rog Mogale · November 30th, 2009, 07:23 PM

How are they doing the grads for Top Gear these days.

Are they using graduation filters in front of the lens or doing it in post.

I’ve seen some very strange shaped grads going on that almost look like dodging and burning around the presenter. To me that would suggest its done in post as I can’t believe you can find a grad filter exactly the shape you need it.

I’ve been paying a bit with grads in Vegas 9 and its possible to get most of the effects they use in Top Gear, but some of the grads I see look very complex to do in post unless there is a special grade FX pack I’m not aware off.

Kirk Candlish · December 1st, 2009, 01:34 AM

They live in the land of Lee. Lee filters that is.

And post production is several times shooting time for TG.

You choose, or guess, what you're seeing.

Marcus Martell · December 1st, 2009, 03:57 AM

and...a lil bit of Magic Bullet

Brian Drysdale · December 1st, 2009, 03:58 AM

You can get grads with clear circular and oval shaped centres.

However, I expect they're using a mix of techniques.

Rog Mogale · December 1st, 2009, 07:13 PM

I had a look at the magic bullet looks software and I think thats whats going on.

I can't find any Lee filters with grad patterns other than straight grads. Cokin do a P141 which has a clear oval center. Schneider do some great looking dual grads but I can't see any ovals or complex shapes.

The BBC could have commisioned someone to make some complex grad filters. I have experimented making my own, but didn't get anywhere with a can of black matt spray and some clear plastic filters, ha ha. I've seen the Cokin P141 and its made up of tiny black dots that get bigger as they move out from the center. So I was thinking about making some patterns in photoshop or even a CAD program and then getting them printed on to some clear plastic.

Oh well, for now I'll just sit back and envy the grads they use.

Brian Drysdale · December 5th, 2009, 11:07 AM

Formatt filters used to sell the oval shape about 10-15 years ago, although I notice they don't mention them on their web site.

I expect you could get them made as a one off, or you could make your own using a gelatine filter cut to shape and sandwiched between two pieces of optical glass.

Much of this stuff is now done in post, so it's hardly worth spending the money on a specialist filter for a one off TV job. Although, some DPs do have strange things in their personal filter box.

David W. Jones · December 5th, 2009, 11:23 AM

Any of these Grad fx you see can be very easily created in photoshop or any pro editing app without added plugins like magic bullet if you know your keying modes.

Allan Black · December 5th, 2009, 03:44 PM

Check at 1.25 in. They'd do a lot of stuff on location to save time/cost in post, also keeps the shooters interested and happy.

YouTube - Top Gear - Ford Focus ST - Jeremy Clarkson - BBC

Cheers.

Dan Brockett · December 5th, 2009, 09:33 PM

Allan:

I personally think that it is much easier to do these kinds of crazy grad/vignette effects in post. The tough part is shooting on bright days and not losing your sky detail. This makes me want to shoot with grad NDs, which is fine if they help you hold some detail in the skies.

Many of the TG track clips like this one are shot in the rainy U.K. where it is often easier to hold some sky detail since it is rarely sunny and cloudless in comparison to most of the U.S. or Australia. The secret is to hold a bit of detail and color in the sky, then enhance in post with MB/Photoshop/FCP/etc/ there are a dozen ways to add these sorts of soft edged vignettes, even the vignette filter in FCP can do this.

Back in the day, I recall using as many as three soft edged ND grads in one matte box on my S16 cameras and just cutting with them like a cookie cutter with various strength grads overlapping and doing bottom and side cuts as well as just cutting the horizon. But these days, much easier to do it in post.

Dan

Allan Black · December 6th, 2009, 03:19 AM

Dan: I agree.

That Focus clip is nearly 3 years old and my guess is that's what TG did on location back then, when the show most likely had less budget for post.

Also the post rigs have evolved a lot, today they'd do it indoors.

Cheers.

Brian Drysdale · December 6th, 2009, 04:03 AM

There can be an element of do the camera people want to hand interesting grad effects to the post people. In the end I suspect (as been said) it's a mixture of the camera end keeping highlights and doing quick grad effects and post doing the quirky stuff. Top gear has a high shooting ratio, so I can't really see them having the time on set to do any really time consuming grad configurations.

For our dull days grads can make what could be a white out overcast sky pouring with rain a lot more dramatic.

Allan Black · December 8th, 2009, 06:15 AM

I watched an Ep tonight and the show is everything isn't it. There's not one dept that lets it down, not one. Whoever selects and lays the music up does a sterling job.

Clarkson et al must be making heaps with their books, discs etc. Cheers.

November 30th, 2009, 07:23 PM	#1
Rog Mogale Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: UK Posts: 25	BBC Top Gear Grads How are they doing the grads for Top Gear these days. Are they using graduation filters in front of the lens or doing it in post. I’ve seen some very strange shaped grads going on that almost look like dodging and burning around the presenter. To me that would suggest its done in post as I can’t believe you can find a grad filter exactly the shape you need it. I’ve been paying a bit with grads in Vegas 9 and its possible to get most of the effects they use in Top Gear, but some of the grads I see look very complex to do in post unless there is a special grade FX pack I’m not aware off.

December 5th, 2009, 03:44 PM	#8
Allan Black Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sydney. Posts: 2,947	Check at 1.25 in. They'd do a lot of stuff on location to save time/cost in post, also keeps the shooters interested and happy. YouTube - Top Gear - Ford Focus ST - Jeremy Clarkson - BBC Cheers. __________________ Drink more tap water. On admission at Sydney hospitals more than 5% of day patients are de-hydrated. Last edited by Allan Black; December 5th, 2009 at 04:30 PM. Reason: typo

December 6th, 2009, 03:19 AM	#10
Allan Black Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sydney. Posts: 2,947	Dan: I agree. That Focus clip is nearly 3 years old and my guess is that's what TG did on location back then, when the show most likely had less budget for post. Also the post rigs have evolved a lot, today they'd do it indoors. Cheers. __________________ Drink more tap water. On admission at Sydney hospitals more than 5% of day patients are de-hydrated.

December 8th, 2009, 06:15 AM	#12
Allan Black Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sydney. Posts: 2,947	I watched an Ep tonight and the show is everything isn't it. There's not one dept that lets it down, not one. Whoever selects and lays the music up does a sterling job. Clarkson et al must be making heaps with their books, discs etc. Cheers. __________________ Drink more tap water. On admission at Sydney hospitals more than 5% of day patients are de-hydrated.

December 1st, 2009, 01:34 AM	#2
Kirk Candlish Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Southern, CA Posts: 198	They live in the land of Lee. Lee filters that is. And post production is several times shooting time for TG. You choose, or guess, what you're seeing.

December 1st, 2009, 03:57 AM	#3
Marcus Martell Trustee Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: spain Posts: 1,202	and...a lil bit of Magic Bullet

December 1st, 2009, 03:58 AM	#4
Brian Drysdale Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belfast, UK Posts: 6,152	You can get grads with clear circular and oval shaped centres. However, I expect they're using a mix of techniques.

December 1st, 2009, 07:13 PM	#5
Rog Mogale Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: UK Posts: 25	I had a look at the magic bullet looks software and I think thats whats going on. I can't find any Lee filters with grad patterns other than straight grads. Cokin do a P141 which has a clear oval center. Schneider do some great looking dual grads but I can't see any ovals or complex shapes. The BBC could have commisioned someone to make some complex grad filters. I have experimented making my own, but didn't get anywhere with a can of black matt spray and some clear plastic filters, ha ha. I've seen the Cokin P141 and its made up of tiny black dots that get bigger as they move out from the center. So I was thinking about making some patterns in photoshop or even a CAD program and then getting them printed on to some clear plastic. Oh well, for now I'll just sit back and envy the grads they use.

December 5th, 2009, 11:07 AM	#6
Brian Drysdale Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belfast, UK Posts: 6,152	Formatt filters used to sell the oval shape about 10-15 years ago, although I notice they don't mention them on their web site. I expect you could get them made as a one off, or you could make your own using a gelatine filter cut to shape and sandwiched between two pieces of optical glass. Much of this stuff is now done in post, so it's hardly worth spending the money on a specialist filter for a one off TV job. Although, some DPs do have strange things in their personal filter box.

December 5th, 2009, 11:23 AM	#7
David W. Jones Trustee Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Little Rock Posts: 1,383	Any of these Grad fx you see can be very easily created in photoshop or any pro editing app without added plugins like magic bullet if you know your keying modes.

December 5th, 2009, 09:33 PM	#9
Dan Brockett Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 2,109	Allan: I personally think that it is much easier to do these kinds of crazy grad/vignette effects in post. The tough part is shooting on bright days and not losing your sky detail. This makes me want to shoot with grad NDs, which is fine if they help you hold some detail in the skies. Many of the TG track clips like this one are shot in the rainy U.K. where it is often easier to hold some sky detail since it is rarely sunny and cloudless in comparison to most of the U.S. or Australia. The secret is to hold a bit of detail and color in the sky, then enhance in post with MB/Photoshop/FCP/etc/ there are a dozen ways to add these sorts of soft edged vignettes, even the vignette filter in FCP can do this. Back in the day, I recall using as many as three soft edged ND grads in one matte box on my S16 cameras and just cutting with them like a cookie cutter with various strength grads overlapping and doing bottom and side cuts as well as just cutting the horizon. But these days, much easier to do it in post. Dan

December 6th, 2009, 04:03 AM	#11
Brian Drysdale Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belfast, UK Posts: 6,152	There can be an element of do the camera people want to hand interesting grad effects to the post people. In the end I suspect (as been said) it's a mixture of the camera end keeping highlights and doing quick grad effects and post doing the quirky stuff. Top gear has a high shooting ratio, so I can't really see them having the time on set to do any really time consuming grad configurations. For our dull days grads can make what could be a white out overcast sky pouring with rain a lot more dramatic.