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Farid Hershend · January 3rd, 2005, 02:02 AM

I have been using my XL1S, PD170 and PDX10 all in 16.9 mode for the last year. I have not had any problem. I realize the cameras are not made for this but the results has been good. My question is would any one watching my videos now the difference between these cameras or if I used XL2? I am thinking of buying the XL2 but do not want to spend the money if I do not have to. In addition, I hate logging the Canon with me because it is so heavy Help J

Rob Lohman · January 3rd, 2005, 05:43 AM

Why would you buy a new camera because someone else might
see it is not "true 16:9". Work with what works for you. If it looks
good enough to you, that is all that matters. In the end, story,
acting, music/audio, lighting, composition and editing are for
example much more important than true 16:9 or not.

Boyd Ostroff · January 3rd, 2005, 07:40 AM

The PDX-10 is in fact "true 16:9" but the PD-170 and XL-1s are not. If you compare the footage on a good screen I think you'll see the difference. Of course it depends on the nature of what you're shooting. I have a VX-2000, which should be comparable to your PD-170, and a PDX-10. I can definitely see a significant difference in 16:9 quality between these two cameras. Here's a test that I did: http://www.greenmist.com/dv/16x9.

The XL-2 should give even better results, based on sample frames that I've seen. Its ability to shoot in progressive scan mode (24p and 30p) will give you another boost in resolution. It also offers much more control over the image than your other cameras. As you point out, it is expensive and heavy though. Another possible option to look into would be the Sony FX-1 which is less expensive and can shoot true 16:9 in DV mode plus 1080i HDV.

But I think Rob has given you good advice. If you're satisfied with the results then why switch? My only caveat would be to make sure that you've viewed your footage on a good 16:9 native monitor because that might reveal problems which you can't see on cheap screens.

Farid Hershend · January 4th, 2005, 01:45 AM

Thank you.. I appreciate your help...

January 3rd, 2005, 02:02 AM	#1
Farid Hershend New Boot Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hawaii Posts: 15	16.9 mode I have been using my XL1S, PD170 and PDX10 all in 16.9 mode for the last year. I have not had any problem. I realize the cameras are not made for this but the results has been good. My question is would any one watching my videos now the difference between these cameras or if I used XL2? I am thinking of buying the XL2 but do not want to spend the money if I do not have to. In addition, I hate logging the Canon with me because it is so heavy Help J

January 3rd, 2005, 05:43 AM	#2
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Why would you buy a new camera because someone else might see it is not "true 16:9". Work with what works for you. If it looks good enough to you, that is all that matters. In the end, story, acting, music/audio, lighting, composition and editing are for example much more important than true 16:9 or not. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

January 3rd, 2005, 07:40 AM	#3
Boyd Ostroff Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 11,802	The PDX-10 is in fact "true 16:9" but the PD-170 and XL-1s are not. If you compare the footage on a good screen I think you'll see the difference. Of course it depends on the nature of what you're shooting. I have a VX-2000, which should be comparable to your PD-170, and a PDX-10. I can definitely see a significant difference in 16:9 quality between these two cameras. Here's a test that I did: http://www.greenmist.com/dv/16x9. The XL-2 should give even better results, based on sample frames that I've seen. Its ability to shoot in progressive scan mode (24p and 30p) will give you another boost in resolution. It also offers much more control over the image than your other cameras. As you point out, it is expensive and heavy though. Another possible option to look into would be the Sony FX-1 which is less expensive and can shoot true 16:9 in DV mode plus 1080i HDV. But I think Rob has given you good advice. If you're satisfied with the results then why switch? My only caveat would be to make sure that you've viewed your footage on a good 16:9 native monitor because that might reveal problems which you can't see on cheap screens.

January 4th, 2005, 01:45 AM	#4
Farid Hershend New Boot Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hawaii Posts: 15	Thank you.. I appreciate your help...