Using tapes from different manufacturers

Bryan Beasleigh · September 8th, 2002, 07:52 PM

"I recently read the following: "DVCAM tape has 50% less dropouts than consumer DV tape and was designed for the videographer who expects a higher level of quality and reliability."

Part of the 'equation"is the tape speed. DVCam runs the tape past the heads faster. In DVCan less info is written per inch of tape.

Jay Gladwell · September 8th, 2002, 07:59 PM

Right, Bryan, but I was referring to the Sony DVCAM tape--the same size as used in miniDV cameras. It's their "profe$$ional" grade.

September 9th, 2002, 12:33 AM

Just a couple questions about DVCAM tapes/cameras

The Sony PD150 Says it takes DVCAM/MiniDV, or does it only record in both formats. I thought the tapes where basically the same size but the DVCAM runs the tape though the heads quicker (greater track pitch). Am I correct in thinking you can use consumer grade MinDV tapes in the PD150? I thought the DVCAM tapes where larger in size. Does the PD150 take both.

Henrik Bengtsson · September 9th, 2002, 12:44 AM

Most likely unles they changed it from the PD100. It is also a DVCAM camera and handles both mini-DV and DVCAM. In fact, it records in DVCAM on a normal mini-DV tape (which im not to sure is a good thing though, see my other post re. this).

/Henrik

Bryan Beasleigh · September 9th, 2002, 08:13 AM

My point with regard to the tape speed was that it was part of the reason for the lower drop out rate on the cameras recording in DVCam mode.Capeche?

Jay Gladwell · September 9th, 2002, 08:19 AM

Ciao, il mio amico. Sì, capisco.

Hagop Matossian · September 10th, 2002, 02:25 PM

thats interesting about the tape muddied by the edit deck which had been used for tdk tapes.

I was once told by a salesmen in the Duty Free shop of the Larnaca airport in Cyprus not to use TDK tapes, as they mess up many cameras

this guy is NOT the most reliable source (judging by his product range and what he knew about them), but this is an interesting coincidence...

Josh Bass · September 16th, 2002, 03:42 PM

I've had my XL1s since around last Christmas (maybe January, honestly can't remember). I didn't know about the caveat concerning mixing tape brands for a while. I've been using Sony Premium's steadily for all my projects except the first one I did for someone else.

Most of my gigs so far have been nonpaid, and in October I'll be doing a real honest to God paid gig that could lead to other if I don't choke. The guy I'm working for (it's Paul Sedillo -- also a member of this forum) uses Panasonic's exclusively, so I'll be using them too.

I want to know if I need to spend $100 to get my heads cleaned to make the switch. I plan to never use Sonys again after I do this, but it's still pricey.

Though I've had the camera for a while, I haven't actually shot that much with it. I estimate a week out of each month the camera's actually in use for other people or my own projects. So what do you people think?

Jeff Donald · September 17th, 2002, 03:36 AM

Hi Josh,

How many tapes have you had through the XL? Did you buy it new? If you have had only a few tapes (maybe 6 to 8) through, it may be OK to use a head cleaner tape. But my best advice is to have it professionaly cleaned. If you go the head cleaner route be sure to run a couple of Panasonic tapes through the camera before your shoot and check for any troubles. You don't want problems on your first big shoot.

Jeff

Andrew Petrie · September 17th, 2002, 09:38 AM

My XL1 is new, and I'mm on my 6th Sony Premium tape. I'm going to switch this week.

Josh Bass · September 17th, 2002, 10:17 AM

Yeah, I bought it new. I count 9 Sony tapes (though not used in their entirety) and two or three Panasonics from way back when.

Dan Uneken · September 17th, 2002, 03:07 PM

I think it is just disgusting that we have to put up with this kind of muck from the manufacturers. There is nothing like it in the normal world. Getting your engine cleaned every time you change from BP to Shell fuel????

Simon Plissi · September 18th, 2002, 02:51 AM

I wonder. I generally use Panasonic tapes with my XL1 though I have put a couple of Sony tapes through in the past. Recently I helped out a few friends do some editing and put some non-Panasonic tapes through, including a low cost TDK. What do you all suggest I should do? Stop worrying about it and just get back to using Panasonic tapes? Or use a Canon or Panasonic (if available) head cleaner, which I've never used on my XL1.

I loath fiddling around with gear if there's nothing wrong with it. I do suppose though that if I follow through with a docu I'm considering shooting abroad I should at least get the heads cleaned professionally. No?

Jeff Donald · September 18th, 2002, 05:23 AM

It can't hurt to have heads professionally cleaned. It may give you a little peace of mind before the big shoot. The brand of head cleaning tape shouldn't matter. I carry one in my bag for emergencies.

Jeff

September 10th, 2002, 02:25 PM	#22
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September 16th, 2002, 03:42 PM	#23
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	I've had my XL1s since around last Christmas (maybe January, honestly can't remember). I didn't know about the caveat concerning mixing tape brands for a while. I've been using Sony Premium's steadily for all my projects except the first one I did for someone else. Most of my gigs so far have been nonpaid, and in October I'll be doing a real honest to God paid gig that could lead to other if I don't choke. The guy I'm working for (it's Paul Sedillo -- also a member of this forum) uses Panasonic's exclusively, so I'll be using them too. I want to know if I need to spend $100 to get my heads cleaned to make the switch. I plan to never use Sonys again after I do this, but it's still pricey. Though I've had the camera for a while, I haven't actually shot that much with it. I estimate a week out of each month the camera's actually in use for other people or my own projects. So what do you people think? __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

September 17th, 2002, 09:38 AM	#25
Andrew Petrie Major Player Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: London, Ontario, Canada Posts: 484	My XL1 is new, and I'mm on my 6th Sony Premium tape. I'm going to switch this week. __________________ Andrew \| Canon XL1s, ME66, Vinten Vision 3, GlideCam V16 (for sale!)

September 17th, 2002, 10:17 AM	#26
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	Yeah, I bought it new. I count 9 Sony tapes (though not used in their entirety) and two or three Panasonics from way back when. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

September 17th, 2002, 03:07 PM	#27
Dan Uneken Major Player Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Andalucia, Spain Posts: 301	I think it is just disgusting that we have to put up with this kind of muck from the manufacturers. There is nothing like it in the normal world. Getting your engine cleaned every time you change from BP to Shell fuel???? __________________ Film & TV locations & production Spain http://www.fotofilmvideo.com/

September 8th, 2002, 07:52 PM	#16
Bryan Beasleigh Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Barrie, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,922	"I recently read the following: "DVCAM tape has 50% less dropouts than consumer DV tape and was designed for the videographer who expects a higher level of quality and reliability." Part of the 'equation"is the tape speed. DVCam runs the tape past the heads faster. In DVCan less info is written per inch of tape.

September 8th, 2002, 07:59 PM	#17
Jay Gladwell Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,244	Right, Bryan, but I was referring to the Sony DVCAM tape--the same size as used in miniDV cameras. It's their "profe$$ional" grade.

September 9th, 2002, 12:33 AM	#18
ThreeSixtyProductions Posts: n/a	Just a couple questions about DVCAM tapes/cameras The Sony PD150 Says it takes DVCAM/MiniDV, or does it only record in both formats. I thought the tapes where basically the same size but the DVCAM runs the tape though the heads quicker (greater track pitch). Am I correct in thinking you can use consumer grade MinDV tapes in the PD150? I thought the DVCAM tapes where larger in size. Does the PD150 take both.

September 9th, 2002, 12:44 AM	#19
Henrik Bengtsson Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Borås, Sweden Posts: 167	Most likely unles they changed it from the PD100. It is also a DVCAM camera and handles both mini-DV and DVCAM. In fact, it records in DVCAM on a normal mini-DV tape (which im not to sure is a good thing though, see my other post re. this). /Henrik

September 9th, 2002, 08:13 AM	#20
Bryan Beasleigh Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Barrie, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,922	My point with regard to the tape speed was that it was part of the reason for the lower drop out rate on the cameras recording in DVCam mode.Capeche?

September 9th, 2002, 08:19 AM	#21
Jay Gladwell Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,244	Ciao, il mio amico. Sì, capisco.

September 17th, 2002, 03:36 AM	#24
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	Hi Josh, How many tapes have you had through the XL? Did you buy it new? If you have had only a few tapes (maybe 6 to 8) through, it may be OK to use a head cleaner tape. But my best advice is to have it professionaly cleaned. If you go the head cleaner route be sure to run a couple of Panasonic tapes through the camera before your shoot and check for any troubles. You don't want problems on your first big shoot. Jeff

September 18th, 2002, 02:51 AM	#28
Simon Plissi Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: London, UK Posts: 105	I wonder. I generally use Panasonic tapes with my XL1 though I have put a couple of Sony tapes through in the past. Recently I helped out a few friends do some editing and put some non-Panasonic tapes through, including a low cost TDK. What do you all suggest I should do? Stop worrying about it and just get back to using Panasonic tapes? Or use a Canon or Panasonic (if available) head cleaner, which I've never used on my XL1. I loath fiddling around with gear if there's nothing wrong with it. I do suppose though that if I follow through with a docu I'm considering shooting abroad I should at least get the heads cleaned professionally. No?

September 18th, 2002, 05:23 AM	#29
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	It can't hurt to have heads professionally cleaned. It may give you a little peace of mind before the big shoot. The brand of head cleaning tape shouldn't matter. I carry one in my bag for emergencies. Jeff