burning to VHS straight from NLE, can it be done? at DVinfo.net

Josh Bass · November 4th, 2004, 05:03 AM

My buddy claims you can record to a VHS tape by hooking up the cam to the computer, via firewire, and the the cam to the VHS, via RCA/S Video.

I have Vegas 4, if that matters. Anyone done this? The VCRs I have at my disposal are all rather cheap/old, and none have S-Video in/outs, though they do have RCA. Is there an extra component I'd need? Is it cheap?

Thanks.

Rob Lohman · November 4th, 2004, 05:10 AM

Yes this will work as long as your camera supports digital in and
direct analog out (not all do this). It is the same system as using
the camera for a monitor out (to TV or broadcast monitor).

Josh Bass · November 4th, 2004, 12:55 PM

Oh, well, then I forgot mention it's an XL1s. My bad.

Jean-Philippe Archibald · November 4th, 2004, 01:00 PM

The XL1 allow you to do this Josh. Simply plug it in your computer through firewire, then connect your VCR in the XL1 through RCA cables. Put your camera in vcr mode, ask vegas to preview on an external monitor, press record on your VCR, and play the vagas's timeline.

Josh Bass · November 4th, 2004, 01:01 PM

Thanks! I'll try it.

J. Lamar King · November 4th, 2004, 03:57 PM

Wasn't there some issues with getting the proper setup when doing this though. As in does the XL-1 video out have a signal at 7.5 IRE? Or do you have to go through a proc-amp?

Josh Bass · November 4th, 2004, 04:00 PM

Sounds like a good question. I suppose you could raise the setup on one of the custom presets the approriate number of notches, if needed (I have no idea). Does anyone know how much to raise it to equal a 7.5 setup? Or do you need to raise it at all? I certainly don't have a proc amp.

Or is there something I can do in Vegas 4 to make it all come out correctly?

Glenn Chan · November 5th, 2004, 12:15 AM

Does Vegas 4 have scopes?

View --> Video Scopes

Open up a filter that raises brightness. Raise the brightness until the vectorscope shows 7/8IRE. This is only for analog dubs where 7.5IRE setup isn't being added by your consumer equipment.

You can apply the effect to everything if you add the effect to where the video preview window is (make sure to enable it).

Josh Bass · November 5th, 2004, 12:28 AM

I think I had a whole thread devoted to setup and Vegas. I still don't get it. I'll be able to tell about this setup business if everything looks unnaturally dark on the VHS copy, right?

J. Lamar King · November 5th, 2004, 12:47 AM

The thing to remember is anytime DV is going to hit analog you must ask yourself if set up is being applied somewhere. It could be applied through your camera, in your VTR or in your NLE. I honestly don't know if the XL-1 applies it or not, it might be switchable on the analog outputs like the DVX.

Josh Bass · November 5th, 2004, 12:52 AM

Definitely not switchable. . .I do know that.

Josh Bass · November 8th, 2004, 06:41 PM

Hey, guys, thanks! I tried it today, and it works!

It SEEMS the setup is fine, don't need to do anything in the NLE, but that's only according to the TV I watched it on as it was recording. . .could be wrong.

Another thing, and very important: DO NOT SIMPLY PLAY DIRECTLY FROM THE TIMELINE!

You won't get audio this way! With Vegas, you have to "print video to DV tape", without a tape in the camera, of course, record in the VHS machine, and then you'll get sound.

Rob Lohman · November 9th, 2004, 05:24 AM

That's correct indeed Josh, thanks for pointing that out. Also if
you where to do a play from the timeline you might drop frames
here and there as well which a print to "tape" should not do.

Josh Bass · November 9th, 2004, 05:26 AM

Ah, and we learn something new every day. One day, it'll all be telepathy.

Jesse Bekas · November 9th, 2004, 10:44 AM

Although you do always waat to use "print to tape" to get the best finished results, you can send the audio out to your television from the timeline during the editing process. I don't have the program in front of me, but i think you need to go to the preferences section and there are audio options under output tab, or something like that.

November 4th, 2004, 05:03 AM	#1
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	burning to VHS straight from NLE, can it be done? My buddy claims you can record to a VHS tape by hooking up the cam to the computer, via firewire, and the the cam to the VHS, via RCA/S Video. I have Vegas 4, if that matters. Anyone done this? The VCRs I have at my disposal are all rather cheap/old, and none have S-Video in/outs, though they do have RCA. Is there an extra component I'd need? Is it cheap? Thanks. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

November 4th, 2004, 05:10 AM	#2
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Yes this will work as long as your camera supports digital in and direct analog out (not all do this). It is the same system as using the camera for a monitor out (to TV or broadcast monitor). __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

November 4th, 2004, 12:55 PM	#3
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	Oh, well, then I forgot mention it's an XL1s. My bad. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

November 4th, 2004, 01:00 PM	#4
Jean-Philippe Archibald Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Saguenay, Québec, Canada Posts: 1,051	The XL1 allow you to do this Josh. Simply plug it in your computer through firewire, then connect your VCR in the XL1 through RCA cables. Put your camera in vcr mode, ask vegas to preview on an external monitor, press record on your VCR, and play the vagas's timeline. __________________ Jean-Philippe Archibald http://www.jparchibald.com - http://www.vimeo.com/jparchib

November 4th, 2004, 01:01 PM	#5
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	Thanks! I'll try it. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

November 4th, 2004, 03:57 PM	#6
J. Lamar King New Boot Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Fort Worth, Texas Posts: 15	Wasn't there some issues with getting the proper setup when doing this though. As in does the XL-1 video out have a signal at 7.5 IRE? Or do you have to go through a proc-amp? __________________ J. Lamar King DP - Fort Worth, Texas

November 4th, 2004, 04:00 PM	#7
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	Sounds like a good question. I suppose you could raise the setup on one of the custom presets the approriate number of notches, if needed (I have no idea). Does anyone know how much to raise it to equal a 7.5 setup? Or do you need to raise it at all? I certainly don't have a proc amp. Or is there something I can do in Vegas 4 to make it all come out correctly? __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

November 5th, 2004, 12:15 AM	#8
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	Does Vegas 4 have scopes? View --> Video Scopes Open up a filter that raises brightness. Raise the brightness until the vectorscope shows 7/8IRE. This is only for analog dubs where 7.5IRE setup isn't being added by your consumer equipment. You can apply the effect to everything if you add the effect to where the video preview window is (make sure to enable it).

November 5th, 2004, 12:28 AM	#9
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	I think I had a whole thread devoted to setup and Vegas. I still don't get it. I'll be able to tell about this setup business if everything looks unnaturally dark on the VHS copy, right? __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

November 5th, 2004, 12:47 AM	#10
J. Lamar King New Boot Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Fort Worth, Texas Posts: 15	The thing to remember is anytime DV is going to hit analog you must ask yourself if set up is being applied somewhere. It could be applied through your camera, in your VTR or in your NLE. I honestly don't know if the XL-1 applies it or not, it might be switchable on the analog outputs like the DVX. __________________ J. Lamar King DP - Fort Worth, Texas

November 5th, 2004, 12:52 AM	#11
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	Definitely not switchable. . .I do know that. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

November 8th, 2004, 06:41 PM	#12
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	Hey, guys, thanks! I tried it today, and it works! It SEEMS the setup is fine, don't need to do anything in the NLE, but that's only according to the TV I watched it on as it was recording. . .could be wrong. Another thing, and very important: DO NOT SIMPLY PLAY DIRECTLY FROM THE TIMELINE! You won't get audio this way! With Vegas, you have to "print video to DV tape", without a tape in the camera, of course, record in the VHS machine, and then you'll get sound. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

November 9th, 2004, 05:24 AM	#13
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	That's correct indeed Josh, thanks for pointing that out. Also if you where to do a play from the timeline you might drop frames here and there as well which a print to "tape" should not do. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

November 9th, 2004, 05:26 AM	#14
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	Ah, and we learn something new every day. One day, it'll all be telepathy. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

November 9th, 2004, 10:44 AM	#15
Jesse Bekas Major Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Ridgefield Park, New Jersey, USA Posts: 572	Although you do always waat to use "print to tape" to get the best finished results, you can send the audio out to your television from the timeline during the editing process. I don't have the program in front of me, but i think you need to go to the preferences section and there are audio options under output tab, or something like that.