Demo reel music question

David Mesloh · October 16th, 2004, 05:36 PM

Yea, I was a modelmaker first then a shop supervisor. Computers have affected the industry. You never see "true" matte painters anymore. "What??? Paint in reverse on glass????" The last truly great film I worked on was James and the Giant Peach. I built armatures for the stop-motion charactors. Great film. Models, real stop-motion, real motion control, real film...... ahhhh the good old days.

About the ethics debate.....

IMHO......

Ethics are personal, morals are societal. Unfortunatly society's morals have taken a nosedive in the past 20 years. We're more tolerant of those who err on the side of moral relapse. Everyone is a victim. Nothing is anyone's fault. Kid's in schools are taught "there is no right or wrong, as long as you feel good about your decision".

Schools aren't allowed to disipline. Parents are afraid to disipline. They try to be friends with the kids as opposed to role models and disiplinarians.

I have a 6 y/o boy who, as I was looking out the side window of the truck while driving, grabs my face, pulls it so I am looking forward and states,"Dad,you're supposed to focus on the road when I'm in the car".

Talk about ethics...................

Matthew Cherry · October 16th, 2004, 06:52 PM

I saw that movie. James and the Giant Peach was my favorite book as a child - memories of my mom.

I also agree that ethics and morals have declined. But the pendulum can swing the other way as well. Reasonable balance is all I'm advocating. Morals or ethics applied with out critical thinking behind them are almost as useless as not having any ethics at all. What can I say, I was taught by Jesuits...

Jeff Donald · October 16th, 2004, 07:12 PM

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I also agree that ethics and morals have declined. But the pendulum can swing the other way as well. Reasonable balance is all I'm advocating. Morals or ethics applied with out critical thinking behind them are almost as useless as not having any ethics at all.

I agree. When I first moved to Montana it was legal to drink (driver have an open container in the front seat) and drive. It was illegal to be drunk (over the legal limit) and drive. The Montana law was ethically wrong by my standards. I guess some people only have an issue only if a death is involved, I view things differently.

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Using copyrighted music to enhance a demo reel is in no way a test of a person's character or their ethics.

I am afraid it is. Just as a driver drinking while he drives may have been legal, it was ethically wrong.

Matthew Cherry · October 16th, 2004, 11:47 PM

Fair enough Jeff, I respect your principals and your strength of character. Why don't we just agree to disagree about this issue for now and be pals. Hell, if you're ever up in the NYC area, I'll buy you a drink and promise not to drive either drunk OR with an open container. (That's an easy promise to keep!)

Best,

Matt

Josh Bass · October 17th, 2004, 12:07 AM

Or to show him your reel.

Matthew Cherry · October 17th, 2004, 01:09 AM

LMAO. I don't have a reel... I'm actually working on my first short now. It's not really a short. I just bought a light kit and have been trying to learn how to use it - thought I'd try to light like film noir. Well next think you know I'm filming stuff and figure I might as well make a scene so I can practice cutting it. A few days later and now I'm scoring it....

It's stupid, but it is fun.

Matt

Josh Bass · October 17th, 2004, 07:38 AM

Ok, well, when you DO have a reel, either a) don't use music you don't have permission for or b) stay away from Jeff and Dylan, as they will beat you severely with the arm they've just ripped off of you.

Matthew Cherry · October 17th, 2004, 11:21 AM

Come on now, we can all play nice. If everyone thought the same way the world would be a terribly boring place.

When I say I'm scoring it I mean just that. I've brought the DV into Cubase SX and now I'm writing the music. Just finished the intro at about 4:00AM This morning I cleaned up the DV audio and now I have to write a little walking music...

Nothing fancy you understand I'm just having some fun. When I'm done, I'll post it.

Rick Bravo · October 17th, 2004, 02:58 PM

Well Jeff...that's your opinion and we all know what they say about opinions.

I'll take the Pepsi Challenge with anyone on this board when it comes to character, ethics, (work or otherwise) and morals, anytime.

I'm just not that uptight or anal when it comes to judging people. And once again, you are using an analogy where people's safety and well being are at stake, how can you even bring up drinking and driving with using music for your reel in the same breath? It just doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

Anyway, this is just like discussing religion and politics, there are no clear cut winners. The bottom line is that we all have to live with ourselves and what we are. The only judge that matters is the BIG GUY when the time comes.

RB

October 16th, 2004, 05:36 PM	#46
David Mesloh Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 94	random thoughts Yea, I was a modelmaker first then a shop supervisor. Computers have affected the industry. You never see "true" matte painters anymore. "What??? Paint in reverse on glass????" The last truly great film I worked on was James and the Giant Peach. I built armatures for the stop-motion charactors. Great film. Models, real stop-motion, real motion control, real film...... ahhhh the good old days. About the ethics debate..... IMHO...... Ethics are personal, morals are societal. Unfortunatly society's morals have taken a nosedive in the past 20 years. We're more tolerant of those who err on the side of moral relapse. Everyone is a victim. Nothing is anyone's fault. Kid's in schools are taught "there is no right or wrong, as long as you feel good about your decision". Schools aren't allowed to disipline. Parents are afraid to disipline. They try to be friends with the kids as opposed to role models and disiplinarians. I have a 6 y/o boy who, as I was looking out the side window of the truck while driving, grabs my face, pulls it so I am looking forward and states,"Dad,you're supposed to focus on the road when I'm in the car". Talk about ethics...................

October 17th, 2004, 12:07 AM	#50
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	Or to show him your reel. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

October 17th, 2004, 07:38 AM	#52
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	Ok, well, when you DO have a reel, either a) don't use music you don't have permission for or b) stay away from Jeff and Dylan, as they will beat you severely with the arm they've just ripped off of you. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

October 17th, 2004, 02:58 PM	#54
Rick Bravo Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 574	We can play nice...maybe? Well Jeff...that's your opinion and we all know what they say about opinions. I'll take the Pepsi Challenge with anyone on this board when it comes to character, ethics, (work or otherwise) and morals, anytime. I'm just not that uptight or anal when it comes to judging people. And once again, you are using an analogy where people's safety and well being are at stake, how can you even bring up drinking and driving with using music for your reel in the same breath? It just doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Anyway, this is just like discussing religion and politics, there are no clear cut winners. The bottom line is that we all have to live with ourselves and what we are. The only judge that matters is the BIG GUY when the time comes. RB __________________ "The future ain't what it used to be." Yogi Berra. www.rbravo.com

October 16th, 2004, 06:52 PM	#47
Matthew Cherry Major Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Stamford, CT United States Posts: 212	I saw that movie. James and the Giant Peach was my favorite book as a child - memories of my mom. I also agree that ethics and morals have declined. But the pendulum can swing the other way as well. Reasonable balance is all I'm advocating. Morals or ethics applied with out critical thinking behind them are almost as useless as not having any ethics at all. What can I say, I was taught by Jesuits...

October 16th, 2004, 11:47 PM	#49
Matthew Cherry Major Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Stamford, CT United States Posts: 212	Fair enough Jeff, I respect your principals and your strength of character. Why don't we just agree to disagree about this issue for now and be pals. Hell, if you're ever up in the NYC area, I'll buy you a drink and promise not to drive either drunk OR with an open container. (That's an easy promise to keep!) Best, Matt

October 17th, 2004, 01:09 AM	#51
Matthew Cherry Major Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Stamford, CT United States Posts: 212	LMAO. I don't have a reel... I'm actually working on my first short now. It's not really a short. I just bought a light kit and have been trying to learn how to use it - thought I'd try to light like film noir. Well next think you know I'm filming stuff and figure I might as well make a scene so I can practice cutting it. A few days later and now I'm scoring it.... It's stupid, but it is fun. Matt

October 17th, 2004, 11:21 AM	#53
Matthew Cherry Major Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Stamford, CT United States Posts: 212	Come on now, we can all play nice. If everyone thought the same way the world would be a terribly boring place. When I say I'm scoring it I mean just that. I've brought the DV into Cubase SX and now I'm writing the music. Just finished the intro at about 4:00AM This morning I cleaned up the DV audio and now I have to write a little walking music... Nothing fancy you understand I'm just having some fun. When I'm done, I'll post it.