airports!

Dylan Couper · July 25th, 2004, 02:41 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Al Wilson : <<<-- Originally posted by Dylan Couper : Sorry, you're wrong. Canada implements the same airport security as the US except with better trained people. Please try to be more informed, thank you. -->>>

I was mainly referring to the comment another poster made and the announcement made from US Homeland Security. It is you who needs to be more informed! OK eh?
-->>>

Sorry, just because the public believes it doesn't make it true. Common knowledge once held that the world was flat. And as far as what your government telling you being true.... I think most half intelligent people could cite examples from recent US history to prove which one of us is informed, but this violates the DVinfo policy of not discussing politics.

Look, feel free to believe whatever you want if it makes you sleep better at night... but keep your propoganda to yourself, or at least somewhere else.

I'm not sure why you posted your previous statement either. This thread was not about government security, and this is a forum for video related discussion, not anti-terrorism. You are more than welcome as a member, but lets please keep it on a business level.

Dennis Vogel · July 26th, 2004, 02:50 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Al Wilson : Well, I'm not surprised that airports are so strict and I'm actually happy they are. Not to be paranoid but it would be easy for a terrorist to pose as a videographer to sneak a bomb into the terminal. Makes me feel a little be safer in an unsafe area. -->>>

I thought we were talking about taking photos in airports, not issues around searches. I still don't know what a photo would reveal that walking through would. Besides, what are they going to do about pictures taken before the new rules? Plenty of people have photos, inside and out, of plenty of airports already. So why prevent them now?

Dennis Vogel

Adrian Nelson · July 26th, 2004, 03:54 PM

I've had discussions with employees and security officers at airports, custom/border crossings and banks and they all seem to have the same reasons for not allowing photography/videos. An image of the area can record a lot more than you will see at first glance. being able to look over video and pictures at leaisure alows you to locate a number of security features such as gaurd placement, security cameras, and with video can be used to track gaurd rotations and shifts. The major amount of security is the stuff you don't normally see. If you have the ability to look over the area for hours on end you will learn a lot more about the security.
Just try and go to a bank and sit and watch things for an hour. Gauranteed someone will ask you what you are in need of. (pleasant way to say what the heck are you doing here)
However if you approach these types of institutions with respect to the security they have in place; and let them know up front that you don't intend on jeopordizing it; they can be a ot more helpful.

Nick Medrano · July 26th, 2004, 09:52 PM

Or even easier, just come down here to the Tex/Mex border and use any of our airports. Gonna be shooting a short film on one of the runways next week, lol.

Dylan Couper · July 27th, 2004, 06:47 PM

If they ban cameras in airports, they must ban cell phones too. Mine takes photo and video, which I could then send out anywhere in the world, before security had a chance to come seize it....

Plus, if I was a terrorist, I'd hide a microscopic camera in a broach or something and take surveillance photos that way. That's the guy to worry about, not the fellow with the SLR taking pictures freely.

George Ellis · July 27th, 2004, 08:01 PM

It is not what you are taking a picture of in most cases, it is why you are taking pictures. If you start taking pictures of doors, hallways, and security checkpoints, you can expect someone will be talking to you. They will know what you were taking pictures of, and will want to know why. ;)

The best route for doing any project at the airport is through the airport manager's office. Small projects may not get the attention that they want or deserve, but the manager's office can get you going. In this time, do expect that they are going to want to know detail and may actually request a background check. Anything from the security checkpoints is controlled. If you need access to the aircraft operations area, it will be even a bigger hassle. Expect that you will have a minder and escort. You may have to pay for that. But to start, you need to call the airport manager's office.

Oh, and do not expect to do anything in the aircraft operations area. The FAA controls what can and cannot go on and the rules are very strict. You basically have to shutdown the airport. The CART race in Cleveland has some really tight rules about how they operate and the airport is closed (duh, but even after the race is over and cleanup is being done, it is still tightly controlled.)

July 25th, 2004, 02:41 AM	#16
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	<<<-- Originally posted by Al Wilson : <<<-- Originally posted by Dylan Couper : Sorry, you're wrong. Canada implements the same airport security as the US except with better trained people. Please try to be more informed, thank you. -->>> I was mainly referring to the comment another poster made and the announcement made from US Homeland Security. It is you who needs to be more informed! OK eh? -->>> Sorry, just because the public believes it doesn't make it true. Common knowledge once held that the world was flat. And as far as what your government telling you being true.... I think most half intelligent people could cite examples from recent US history to prove which one of us is informed, but this violates the DVinfo policy of not discussing politics. Look, feel free to believe whatever you want if it makes you sleep better at night... but keep your propoganda to yourself, or at least somewhere else. I'm not sure why you posted your previous statement either. This thread was not about government security, and this is a forum for video related discussion, not anti-terrorism. You are more than welcome as a member, but lets please keep it on a business level. __________________ Need to rent camera gear in Vancouver BC? Check me out at camerarentalsvancouver.com

July 27th, 2004, 06:47 PM	#20
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	If they ban cameras in airports, they must ban cell phones too. Mine takes photo and video, which I could then send out anywhere in the world, before security had a chance to come seize it.... Plus, if I was a terrorist, I'd hide a microscopic camera in a broach or something and take surveillance photos that way. That's the guy to worry about, not the fellow with the SLR taking pictures freely. __________________ Need to rent camera gear in Vancouver BC? Check me out at camerarentalsvancouver.com

July 26th, 2004, 02:50 PM	#17
Dennis Vogel Major Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hillsborough, NC Posts: 409	<<<-- Originally posted by Al Wilson : Well, I'm not surprised that airports are so strict and I'm actually happy they are. Not to be paranoid but it would be easy for a terrorist to pose as a videographer to sneak a bomb into the terminal. Makes me feel a little be safer in an unsafe area. -->>> I thought we were talking about taking photos in airports, not issues around searches. I still don't know what a photo would reveal that walking through would. Besides, what are they going to do about pictures taken before the new rules? Plenty of people have photos, inside and out, of plenty of airports already. So why prevent them now? Dennis Vogel

July 26th, 2004, 03:54 PM	#18
Adrian Nelson Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: vancouver canada Posts: 27	I've had discussions with employees and security officers at airports, custom/border crossings and banks and they all seem to have the same reasons for not allowing photography/videos. An image of the area can record a lot more than you will see at first glance. being able to look over video and pictures at leaisure alows you to locate a number of security features such as gaurd placement, security cameras, and with video can be used to track gaurd rotations and shifts. The major amount of security is the stuff you don't normally see. If you have the ability to look over the area for hours on end you will learn a lot more about the security. Just try and go to a bank and sit and watch things for an hour. Gauranteed someone will ask you what you are in need of. (pleasant way to say what the heck are you doing here) However if you approach these types of institutions with respect to the security they have in place; and let them know up front that you don't intend on jeopordizing it; they can be a ot more helpful.

July 26th, 2004, 09:52 PM	#19
Nick Medrano Major Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 331	Or even easier, just come down here to the Tex/Mex border and use any of our airports. Gonna be shooting a short film on one of the runways next week, lol.

July 27th, 2004, 08:01 PM	#21
George Ellis Trustee Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Suwanee, GA Posts: 1,241	It is not what you are taking a picture of in most cases, it is why you are taking pictures. If you start taking pictures of doors, hallways, and security checkpoints, you can expect someone will be talking to you. They will know what you were taking pictures of, and will want to know why. ;) The best route for doing any project at the airport is through the airport manager's office. Small projects may not get the attention that they want or deserve, but the manager's office can get you going. In this time, do expect that they are going to want to know detail and may actually request a background check. Anything from the security checkpoints is controlled. If you need access to the aircraft operations area, it will be even a bigger hassle. Expect that you will have a minder and escort. You may have to pay for that. But to start, you need to call the airport manager's office. Oh, and do not expect to do anything in the aircraft operations area. The FAA controls what can and cannot go on and the rules are very strict. You basically have to shutdown the airport. The CART race in Cleveland has some really tight rules about how they operate and the airport is closed (duh, but even after the race is over and cleanup is being done, it is still tightly controlled.)