Can not make a decision: VX2000 or XM2?

Prech Marton · May 10th, 2004, 01:16 PM

"Yeah, and the better 1/3 chipper :)"

i mean:

"Yeah, and the better 1/4 chipper :)"

Luis Caffesse · May 10th, 2004, 01:18 PM

Image stabilizers (whether electronic or optical) are made to keep the image steady. So, any time the camera moves, the stabilizer tries to compensate for the movement.

If you're camera is on a tripod and you try to make a smooth pan, the stabilizer will counteract that movement. What you wind up with is a jarring start to the pan, and a jarring stop.

It is very difficult to make smooth pans and tilts with the stabilizer on, and your footage winds up looking worse for it.

Use the stabilizer if you are shooting hand held, or on a monopod maybe...but for tripod work it is best to turn it off.

-Luis

PS.
Sorry, didn't realize others had already answered this by the time I posted.

Gerald Yuvallos · May 10th, 2004, 08:12 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Prech Marton : Thank you guys!

I want to make a relaxing production in dvd format.
Most shoot will be not handheld, instead i have a manfrotto monopod. Optical stabilization work fine, i hope. When should i switch this off? Never?

"go to your nearest dealer and get a feel of both units. "

Yeah, but here in Hungary this isn't a possible way :(
I can order a camera, and when it arrives i pay.
Get a feel? Not in the dealer in this camera price range :(

A new question:
vx2000 has a really cool info lithium battery.
with canon's largest battery there is just a little 4 or 5 segment battery indicator.
If just 1 segment is lit, then i don't know how many capacity is left? 1 hour or 2 minute? Any idea? -->>>

even with a monopod, a lighter unit is still better...

the GL2 has an estimated time left indicator similar to Sony's Infolithium system... you shouldn't worry about that :)

in my opinion here are the biggest strenghts of both units against each other:

GL2:

Better ergonomics
Better controls (controls are easier to access)
Lighter and a bit more compact
Wider and Longer Zoom range
Better Audio Quality
Better Audio Controls

VX2000:

Awesome Low-light performance
Has a manual zoom ring (although it is servo controlled - response isn't good)
1/3" CCD's

Roger Golub · May 13th, 2004, 05:02 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Prech Marton : Thank you guys!

IA new question:
vx2000 has a really cool info lithium battery.
with canon's largest battery there is just a little 4 or 5 segment battery indicator.
If just 1 segment is lit, then i don't know how many capacity is left? 1 hour or 2 minute? Any idea? -->>>

The Canon shows you estimated battery reserves on the screen. I also have a Sony with the "Info Lithium" system and it's pretty much just hype. All the LiIon batteries have some teeny weeney little processor that controls the charging and can tell you about how much juice you have left.

Sony just makes a bigger deal out of it. Do you really need to know "how much" time in minutes you have left. You should be thinking about the subject, not the camera anyway.

My approach to this is to get a BIG battery (8 hours) and never have to worry about it.....

Frank Granovski · May 13th, 2004, 07:14 PM

Quote:

I think all the 1/3" chip cameras have optical stabilization.

My 2 DVL9500's have a 1/3" CCD but only DIS.

Quote:

Most shoot will be not handheld, instead i have a manfrotto monopod. Optical stabilization work fine, i hope. When should i switch this off? Never?

I would switch it off when using a mono-pod.

Bill Pryor · May 13th, 2004, 08:28 PM

I meant 1/3" X 3.

Frank Granovski · May 13th, 2004, 09:22 PM

I know what you meant; I just had to slip it in. :-))

Bill Pryor · May 14th, 2004, 08:53 AM

Yeah, my BS detector was flashing yellow. Not all the way up to red, but definitely in the yellow zone.
Too bad nobody is making a single chip 1/3" chip consumer camera anymore...or does JVC still make that?

May 10th, 2004, 01:16 PM	#16
Prech Marton Major Player Join Date: May 2004 Location: hungary Posts: 462	"Yeah, and the better 1/3 chipper :)" i mean: "Yeah, and the better 1/4 chipper :)"

May 10th, 2004, 01:18 PM	#17
Luis Caffesse Major Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 704	Image stabilizers (whether electronic or optical) are made to keep the image steady. So, any time the camera moves, the stabilizer tries to compensate for the movement. If you're camera is on a tripod and you try to make a smooth pan, the stabilizer will counteract that movement. What you wind up with is a jarring start to the pan, and a jarring stop. It is very difficult to make smooth pans and tilts with the stabilizer on, and your footage winds up looking worse for it. Use the stabilizer if you are shooting hand held, or on a monopod maybe...but for tripod work it is best to turn it off. -Luis PS. Sorry, didn't realize others had already answered this by the time I posted.

May 10th, 2004, 08:12 PM	#18
Gerald Yuvallos New Boot Join Date: May 2004 Location: Philippines Posts: 19	<<<-- Originally posted by Prech Marton : Thank you guys! I want to make a relaxing production in dvd format. Most shoot will be not handheld, instead i have a manfrotto monopod. Optical stabilization work fine, i hope. When should i switch this off? Never? "go to your nearest dealer and get a feel of both units. " Yeah, but here in Hungary this isn't a possible way :( I can order a camera, and when it arrives i pay. Get a feel? Not in the dealer in this camera price range :( A new question: vx2000 has a really cool info lithium battery. with canon's largest battery there is just a little 4 or 5 segment battery indicator. If just 1 segment is lit, then i don't know how many capacity is left? 1 hour or 2 minute? Any idea? -->>> even with a monopod, a lighter unit is still better... the GL2 has an estimated time left indicator similar to Sony's Infolithium system... you shouldn't worry about that :) in my opinion here are the biggest strenghts of both units against each other: GL2: Better ergonomics Better controls (controls are easier to access) Lighter and a bit more compact Wider and Longer Zoom range Better Audio Quality Better Audio Controls VX2000: Awesome Low-light performance Has a manual zoom ring (although it is servo controlled - response isn't good) 1/3" CCD's

May 13th, 2004, 05:02 PM	#19
Roger Golub Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Sitka, AK Posts: 46	<<<-- Originally posted by Prech Marton : Thank you guys! IA new question: vx2000 has a really cool info lithium battery. with canon's largest battery there is just a little 4 or 5 segment battery indicator. If just 1 segment is lit, then i don't know how many capacity is left? 1 hour or 2 minute? Any idea? -->>> The Canon shows you estimated battery reserves on the screen. I also have a Sony with the "Info Lithium" system and it's pretty much just hype. All the LiIon batteries have some teeny weeney little processor that controls the charging and can tell you about how much juice you have left. Sony just makes a bigger deal out of it. Do you really need to know "how much" time in minutes you have left. You should be thinking about the subject, not the camera anyway. My approach to this is to get a BIG battery (8 hours) and never have to worry about it.....

May 13th, 2004, 08:28 PM	#21
Bill Pryor Contributor Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 4,449	I meant 1/3" X 3.

May 13th, 2004, 09:22 PM	#22
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	I know what you meant; I just had to slip it in. :-))

May 14th, 2004, 08:53 AM	#23
Bill Pryor Contributor Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 4,449	Yeah, my BS detector was flashing yellow. Not all the way up to red, but definitely in the yellow zone. Too bad nobody is making a single chip 1/3" chip consumer camera anymore...or does JVC still make that?