do we still have NO new HDcams that are cheap? at DVinfo.net

Obin Olson · February 13th, 2004, 06:49 PM

when will we see somthing even a MOD to get highquality HD res images out of a SD 1-3mega pixel cam OR a brand new unit from SOny/panasonic/jvc?

Chris Hurd · February 13th, 2004, 09:00 PM

The HDV consortium of manufacturers released the specs only just last October. Typically the design process takes 12 to 18 months for a camcorder concept to become a shipping product. So, you can expect HDV camcorders later this year to early next year. Hope this helps,

Daymon Hoffman · February 14th, 2004, 05:07 AM

I read somewhere that Sony let some info out about some "cheap" HDCams for NAB. :)

15k US dont sound real cheap. But anyways. At least they are HD cams :)

Frank Granovski · February 14th, 2004, 05:35 AM

"At least they are HD cams"

But I wonder what the compression will be like compared with DV, etc, and what kind of HD. Then there is the matter which you brought up. Price. And since I've seen cams getting constructed cheaper and cheaper each year, I wonder if these new "HD" cams will be but mere toys compared with the earlier DV cams. For example, earlier cams had low lux requirements (coupled with large CCDs and large lenses), and most of these earlier cams actually had useable viewfinders, unlike today's small, low pixel'd things.

Michael Struthers · February 14th, 2004, 11:16 AM

Canon does not have an expensive line of HD cams to "protect" like Sony does, so you can look for Canon to maximize features on a new HD cam.

At around 10k ;-)

Bill Pryor · February 14th, 2004, 11:18 AM

I'd bet they will come out with new ones recording to that HDwhatever format that JVC is using on their consumer camera. After all--another format means more sales. While the Europeans and other PAL countries happily go on recording better quality than NTSC and not worrying about what HD format to lust after.

Julian Luttrell · February 14th, 2004, 11:29 AM

Bill,

yes, I can't help but think that us Pallites will just wait for the rest of the world to sort out the low end HD format war...

Now, how do we get manufacturers to create affordable 10 bit cams?

Julian

John Threat · February 14th, 2004, 08:53 PM

Well.. it has to be in the whole chain that comes down.

A 10k HD camera is cool. but if you need a 25k HD deck to read the Tapes and a 10k Raid Array to store it, it's still going to be quite an investment.

Glenn Chan · February 14th, 2004, 08:58 PM

The new HD format uses DV tape for storage, so decks should be cheap. It still takes a lot of computer power to decode/encode the format, or else you have to convert it to a more editable form. Some people with the JVC HD cam do online/offline with DV.

February 13th, 2004, 06:49 PM	#1
Obin Olson Trustee Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Wilmington NC Posts: 1,414	do we still have NO new HDcams that are cheap? when will we see somthing even a MOD to get highquality HD res images out of a SD 1-3mega pixel cam OR a brand new unit from SOny/panasonic/jvc?

February 13th, 2004, 09:00 PM	#2
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	The HDV consortium of manufacturers released the specs only just last October. Typically the design process takes 12 to 18 months for a camcorder concept to become a shipping product. So, you can expect HDV camcorders later this year to early next year. Hope this helps, __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

February 14th, 2004, 05:07 AM	#3
Daymon Hoffman Major Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 267	I read somewhere that Sony let some info out about some "cheap" HDCams for NAB. :) 15k US dont sound real cheap. But anyways. At least they are HD cams :) __________________ Welcome... to the real world!

February 14th, 2004, 08:53 PM	#8
John Threat Major Player Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: New York Posts: 322	Well.. it has to be in the whole chain that comes down. A 10k HD camera is cool. but if you need a 25k HD deck to read the Tapes and a 10k Raid Array to store it, it's still going to be quite an investment. __________________ Director: http://www.mediathreat.com

February 14th, 2004, 05:35 AM	#4
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	"At least they are HD cams" But I wonder what the compression will be like compared with DV, etc, and what kind of HD. Then there is the matter which you brought up. Price. And since I've seen cams getting constructed cheaper and cheaper each year, I wonder if these new "HD" cams will be but mere toys compared with the earlier DV cams. For example, earlier cams had low lux requirements (coupled with large CCDs and large lenses), and most of these earlier cams actually had useable viewfinders, unlike today's small, low pixel'd things.

February 14th, 2004, 11:16 AM	#5
Michael Struthers Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: SF, Ca Posts: 421	Canon does not have an expensive line of HD cams to "protect" like Sony does, so you can look for Canon to maximize features on a new HD cam. At around 10k ;-)

February 14th, 2004, 11:18 AM	#6
Bill Pryor Contributor Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 4,449	I'd bet they will come out with new ones recording to that HDwhatever format that JVC is using on their consumer camera. After all--another format means more sales. While the Europeans and other PAL countries happily go on recording better quality than NTSC and not worrying about what HD format to lust after.

February 14th, 2004, 11:29 AM	#7
Julian Luttrell Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Cambridge, UK Posts: 164	Bill, yes, I can't help but think that us Pallites will just wait for the rest of the world to sort out the low end HD format war... Now, how do we get manufacturers to create affordable 10 bit cams? Julian

February 14th, 2004, 08:58 PM	#9
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	The new HD format uses DV tape for storage, so decks should be cheap. It still takes a lot of computer power to decode/encode the format, or else you have to convert it to a more editable form. Some people with the JVC HD cam do online/offline with DV.