Steady Move...anyone use it? at DVinfo.net

Glenn Gipson · February 12th, 2004, 05:59 AM

http://www.steadymove.com/default.htm

Rob Lohman · February 12th, 2004, 06:10 AM

Keep in mind that any software that stabilizes footage needs to
zoom in (basically) depending on how much the shake is to
be able to stabilize it. In this process you are going to loose
resolution due to this process. Just so that you know.

Glenn Gipson · February 12th, 2004, 07:24 AM

Ahh, I knew there had to be a catch.

Glenn Gipson · February 12th, 2004, 09:08 AM

Of course...the company claims the following..

"You should not notice a loss of quality with any type of footage." I guess I may have to buy it, just to try it (they don't have a demo version.) Unless someone else has already tried it...

Glenn Gipson · February 12th, 2004, 10:07 AM

Found a review

http://videosystems.com/ar/video_steadymove_pro/

Rob Lohman · February 12th, 2004, 11:45 AM

Seems to be a decent plugin. Only works on Premiere / After
Effects and Combustion though. It normally requires to zoom in
and the reviewer noticed the footage getting softer with this
(normal behaviour). It also seemed like you had the option to
not zoom in, that's interesting although might not always be
useful.

The reviewer claims there is a demo version of the product
included with Premiere Pro. So if you have that you can at
least check it out before you buy it. 2d3 has some other nice
products as well.

You can actually download a demo it seems. From the 2d3
site. Follow this link

Glenn Gipson · February 12th, 2004, 02:13 PM

Thanks Rob...now I have to wait till I get my NLE...

David Mintzer · February 12th, 2004, 02:50 PM

Check out steady hand by Dynapel--its as good as steady move and it doesn't require Premiere to run

Paul Tauger · February 12th, 2004, 06:28 PM

I have Steadyhand by Dynapel, and it's pretty good -- as others have mentioned, it works by zooming in, or cropping.

Steadymove is interesting, though. I haven't had a lot of time to play with it, but it seems to work by time transposition, i.e. taking elements from one frame that go missing in the next due to shake. If I'm right about how it works, the result would, indeed, be no-resolution-loss stabilization and is a pretty clever solution to mild shaking.

I probably won't be able to play with it for a few days, but I'll report back when I've done some more experiments. I need to look at the stabilized footage frame-by-frame.

Glenn Gipson · February 12th, 2004, 06:58 PM

That would be great Paul, looking forward to your evaluation.

Dave Largent · February 12th, 2004, 11:36 PM

I used Steady Hand extensively on a recent project.
First off you should know that rendering takes
quite awhile. One hour of footage takes about
24 hours.
So after about 3 straight days of rendering
I got to take a look at the results.
My footage had people in it. It looked okay
on the monitor but when I viewed it full
size on a TV, the faces were distorted
with small blockiness, and the
hit to resolution was high enough, that I had to
trash the whole Steady Hand footage.
*Maybe* if there weren't people. *Maybe*
in some other situation. If I get any other
impressions, I'll get back.

Dave Largent · February 16th, 2004, 01:08 AM

In all fairness, I should add that the footage that I
Steadyhanded was deinterlaced, so there was a
good loss of resolution to begin with, prior to
the Steadyhand. Perhaps on
interlaced footage things would be different.
There are different settings in Steadyhand
for if your footage is interlaced or not.

Martin Munthe · March 20th, 2004, 10:48 AM

The SteadyMove plugin from 2D3 included in PPro is the "lite" version. It can be upgraded to Pro with a lot more features. 2D3 is an extremely impressive company. Some of the stuff they are doing is mindboggeling. I haven't tried the Pro version but the Lite version can produce pretty impressive results.

Rich Lee · March 22nd, 2004, 08:37 PM

SteadyMove is awesome...i've only messed around with it, but it seems to do wonders. The more wobbly the footage, the more it has to zoom to correct it, although, you can adjust the amount it zooms. you can also tell it to not zoom at all, and you will see the corners of the image bounce around the frame, which is kinda neat in itself. i recommend giving the demo a shot.

Dave Largent · March 23rd, 2004, 01:36 AM

SteadyHand is the same way, though with only one
zoom setting. It gets the "moving around
black borders", too.
Any y'all ever see what happens when one
of these -- atleast the SteadyHand -- has to
deal with a photographer's flash? Pretty
crazy. Spinning images. Upside-down images.
Really throws these programs for a loop.

February 12th, 2004, 05:59 AM	#1
Glenn Gipson Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Plainfield, New Jersey Posts: 927	Steady Move...anyone use it? http://www.steadymove.com/default.htm

February 12th, 2004, 06:10 AM	#2
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Keep in mind that any software that stabilizes footage needs to zoom in (basically) depending on how much the shake is to be able to stabilize it. In this process you are going to loose resolution due to this process. Just so that you know. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

February 12th, 2004, 11:45 AM	#6
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Seems to be a decent plugin. Only works on Premiere / After Effects and Combustion though. It normally requires to zoom in and the reviewer noticed the footage getting softer with this (normal behaviour). It also seemed like you had the option to not zoom in, that's interesting although might not always be useful. The reviewer claims there is a demo version of the product included with Premiere Pro. So if you have that you can at least check it out before you buy it. 2d3 has some other nice products as well. You can actually download a demo it seems. From the 2d3 site. Follow this link __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

March 20th, 2004, 10:48 AM	#13
Martin Munthe Major Player Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 331	The SteadyMove plugin from 2D3 included in PPro is the "lite" version. It can be upgraded to Pro with a lot more features. 2D3 is an extremely impressive company. Some of the stuff they are doing is mindboggeling. I haven't tried the Pro version but the Lite version can produce pretty impressive results. __________________ Martin Munthe VFX Supervisor/DP/Director

March 22nd, 2004, 08:37 PM	#14
Rich Lee Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Los Angeles Ca Posts: 126	SteadyMove is awesome...i've only messed around with it, but it seems to do wonders. The more wobbly the footage, the more it has to zoom to correct it, although, you can adjust the amount it zooms. you can also tell it to not zoom at all, and you will see the corners of the image bounce around the frame, which is kinda neat in itself. i recommend giving the demo a shot. __________________ Rich Lee http://www.rich-lee.com

February 12th, 2004, 07:24 AM	#3
Glenn Gipson Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Plainfield, New Jersey Posts: 927	Ahh, I knew there had to be a catch.

February 12th, 2004, 09:08 AM	#4
Glenn Gipson Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Plainfield, New Jersey Posts: 927	Of course...the company claims the following.. "You should not notice a loss of quality with any type of footage." I guess I may have to buy it, just to try it (they don't have a demo version.) Unless someone else has already tried it...

February 12th, 2004, 10:07 AM	#5
Glenn Gipson Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Plainfield, New Jersey Posts: 927	Found a review http://videosystems.com/ar/video_steadymove_pro/

February 12th, 2004, 02:13 PM	#7
Glenn Gipson Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Plainfield, New Jersey Posts: 927	Thanks Rob...now I have to wait till I get my NLE...

February 12th, 2004, 02:50 PM	#8
David Mintzer Rextilleon Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Pleasantville, NY Posts: 520	Check out steady hand by Dynapel--its as good as steady move and it doesn't require Premiere to run

February 12th, 2004, 06:28 PM	#9
Paul Tauger Wrangler Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Los Angeles (recently from San Francisco) Posts: 954	I have Steadyhand by Dynapel, and it's pretty good -- as others have mentioned, it works by zooming in, or cropping. Steadymove is interesting, though. I haven't had a lot of time to play with it, but it seems to work by time transposition, i.e. taking elements from one frame that go missing in the next due to shake. If I'm right about how it works, the result would, indeed, be no-resolution-loss stabilization and is a pretty clever solution to mild shaking. I probably won't be able to play with it for a few days, but I'll report back when I've done some more experiments. I need to look at the stabilized footage frame-by-frame.

February 12th, 2004, 06:58 PM	#10
Glenn Gipson Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Plainfield, New Jersey Posts: 927	That would be great Paul, looking forward to your evaluation.

February 12th, 2004, 11:36 PM	#11
Dave Largent Trustee Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,483	I used Steady Hand extensively on a recent project. First off you should know that rendering takes quite awhile. One hour of footage takes about 24 hours. So after about 3 straight days of rendering I got to take a look at the results. My footage had people in it. It looked okay on the monitor but when I viewed it full size on a TV, the faces were distorted with small blockiness, and the hit to resolution was high enough, that I had to trash the whole Steady Hand footage. Maybe if there weren't people. Maybe in some other situation. If I get any other impressions, I'll get back.

February 16th, 2004, 01:08 AM	#12
Dave Largent Trustee Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,483	In all fairness, I should add that the footage that I Steadyhanded was deinterlaced, so there was a good loss of resolution to begin with, prior to the Steadyhand. Perhaps on interlaced footage things would be different. There are different settings in Steadyhand for if your footage is interlaced or not.

March 23rd, 2004, 01:36 AM	#15
Dave Largent Trustee Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,483	SteadyHand is the same way, though with only one zoom setting. It gets the "moving around black borders", too. Any y'all ever see what happens when one of these -- atleast the SteadyHand -- has to deal with a photographer's flash? Pretty crazy. Spinning images. Upside-down images. Really throws these programs for a loop.