Need Help?? DV100 or xl1s

Ken Tanaka · January 21st, 2004, 12:09 AM

Eric,
These are questions outside of your original thread question. We try to keep threads on-topic here for future reference.

Please divide and refine that flurry or questions and post them separately to the appropriate forums (DVX100 Forum, for example).

Dylan Couper · January 21st, 2004, 12:09 AM

How about taking some classes in film or video production? It'll do more for you than having *THE* camera.

Adrian Douglas · January 21st, 2004, 12:15 AM

Eric,

that video is both totally irresponsible and unprofessional. If I were you I wouldn't be wanting people to think that that is the kind of work I did.

Chris Hurd · January 21st, 2004, 12:18 AM

Eric,

There is no quick schooling. Just pick up a camcorder -- *any* camcorder, it really doesn't matter which one -- and start shooting. Learn as you go. The hardest part is watching what you've just shot. You can learn all you really need to know from the cheapest, least expensive camcorder you can buy. The right camera is the one in your hands. Shoot first, ask questions later.

Eric Steiner · January 21st, 2004, 12:37 AM

thanks

Shawn Mielke · January 21st, 2004, 01:34 AM

Don,

"One more question,why would you want to buy a dv100 from panasonic??"
-Eric Steiner

Being asked such a personal, general question, having already posted what I thought was best for Eric based on what his more specific needs, being the XL1S, for shooting wildlife, and answering why indeed I would buy a DVX100 based on MY needs, is not straying from the issue, and YOU have misread my post, sir.

Regards,
Shawn

Don Berube · January 21st, 2004, 01:03 PM

Hey Shawn,

I think you may have taken my response too personally,,, and I do sincerely apologize if it seemed like I was singling you out, which I was not,,, was not meant to say that what you were posting was not relevant. Your input is very much appreciated! Thank you for your comments.

- don

Shawn Mielke · January 21st, 2004, 02:30 PM

No problem, Don.

When in doubt, I try to make myself absolutely clear.

Regards,
Shawn

TingSern Wong · January 23rd, 2004, 03:52 AM

I have actually tried using my Canon XL1 on EF adaptor and using a Canon EF 100-300mm 35mm zooms lens. It works - no doubt. BUT, you need to use it on Manual focusing (no AF available through EF adaptor), and for me, that's the limitation. The Canon viewfinder's LCD is NOT sharp enough for manual focusing - unless you pay for a B&W viewfinder - which is expensive. Secondly, mounting EF lenses on the XL1 gives a very irritating flashing warning in the viewfinder - and I can't figure out how to turn it off. The warning symbol is placed right in the middle of the frame - so, you can imagine how frustrating it is to frame wildlife this way.

Hmmm, having read about the EF lens with image stabilisation, I might just pop into my favorite dealer to borrow one to test - if it is worth the pain of the flashing warning, I might give it a try at birds again (when my 16X zoom with 1.6X teleconvertor is pushed to the limits and beyond).

TS

Chris Hurd · January 23rd, 2004, 11:05 AM

TS, there should be no flashing warning. What exactly does the icon look like?

TingSern Wong · January 23rd, 2004, 05:21 PM

Hi Chris,

I got confused ... I remembered it for the other lens which I tried - a 600mm mirror lens - no aperature. YES, you are right, there was NO flashing symbol for EF lenses mounted on EF adaptor. Sorry.

RIGHT now, I am using the normal CANON 16X zooms lens with a 1.6X CANON teleconvertor - so far, I found the images acceptable. Using a EF lens on manual focus is a problem for me - as I stated in the previous post, the LCD viewer isn't sharp enough for that function. Also, most EF lenses are designed for AF operation, the manual focusing ring is just too small (compared with the zoom ring).

January 21st, 2004, 12:09 AM	#16
Ken Tanaka Retired DV Info Net Almunus Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,943	Eric, These are questions outside of your original thread question. We try to keep threads on-topic here for future reference. Please divide and refine that flurry or questions and post them separately to the appropriate forums (DVX100 Forum, for example). __________________ Lady X Films: A lady with a boring wardrobe...and a global mission. Hey, you don't have enough stuff! Buy with confidence from our sponsors. Hand-picked as the best in the business...Really! See some of my work one frame at a time: www.KenTanaka.com

January 21st, 2004, 12:09 AM	#17
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January 21st, 2004, 12:15 AM	#18
Adrian Douglas Trustee Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Chigasaki, Japan. Posts: 1,660	Eric, that video is both totally irresponsible and unprofessional. If I were you I wouldn't be wanting people to think that that is the kind of work I did. __________________ Adrian DVInfo.net Search for quick answers Where to buy? From the best in the business...DVInfo.net sponsors

January 21st, 2004, 12:18 AM	#19
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Eric, There is no quick schooling. Just pick up a camcorder -- any camcorder, it really doesn't matter which one -- and start shooting. Learn as you go. The hardest part is watching what you've just shot. You can learn all you really need to know from the cheapest, least expensive camcorder you can buy. The right camera is the one in your hands. Shoot first, ask questions later. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

January 21st, 2004, 12:37 AM	#20
Eric Steiner New Boot Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: ca. Posts: 14	ok thanks for the reply thanks

January 21st, 2004, 01:34 AM	#21
Shawn Mielke Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Santa Rosa, California Posts: 745	Don, "One more question,why would you want to buy a dv100 from panasonic??" -Eric Steiner Being asked such a personal, general question, having already posted what I thought was best for Eric based on what his more specific needs, being the XL1S, for shooting wildlife, and answering why indeed I would buy a DVX100 based on MY needs, is not straying from the issue, and YOU have misread my post, sir. Regards, Shawn __________________ Breakthrough In Grey Room

January 21st, 2004, 01:03 PM	#22
Don Berube Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Boston, MA (travel frequently) Posts: 837	Hey Shawn, I think you may have taken my response too personally,,, and I do sincerely apologize if it seemed like I was singling you out, which I was not,,, was not meant to say that what you were posting was not relevant. Your input is very much appreciated! Thank you for your comments. - don __________________ DONALD BERUBE - noisybrain. Productions, LLC Director Of Photography/ Producer/ Consultant http://noisybrain.com/donbio.html CREATE and NETWORK with http://www.bosfcpug.org and also http://fcpugnetwork.org

January 21st, 2004, 02:30 PM	#23
Shawn Mielke Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Santa Rosa, California Posts: 745	No problem, Don. When in doubt, I try to make myself absolutely clear. Regards, Shawn __________________ Breakthrough In Grey Room

January 23rd, 2004, 03:52 AM	#24
TingSern Wong Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Singapore, Rep of SINGAPORE Posts: 749	I have actually tried using my Canon XL1 on EF adaptor and using a Canon EF 100-300mm 35mm zooms lens. It works - no doubt. BUT, you need to use it on Manual focusing (no AF available through EF adaptor), and for me, that's the limitation. The Canon viewfinder's LCD is NOT sharp enough for manual focusing - unless you pay for a B&W viewfinder - which is expensive. Secondly, mounting EF lenses on the XL1 gives a very irritating flashing warning in the viewfinder - and I can't figure out how to turn it off. The warning symbol is placed right in the middle of the frame - so, you can imagine how frustrating it is to frame wildlife this way. Hmmm, having read about the EF lens with image stabilisation, I might just pop into my favorite dealer to borrow one to test - if it is worth the pain of the flashing warning, I might give it a try at birds again (when my 16X zoom with 1.6X teleconvertor is pushed to the limits and beyond). TS

January 23rd, 2004, 11:05 AM	#25
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	TS, there should be no flashing warning. What exactly does the icon look like? __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

January 23rd, 2004, 05:21 PM	#26
TingSern Wong Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Singapore, Rep of SINGAPORE Posts: 749	Hi Chris, I got confused ... I remembered it for the other lens which I tried - a 600mm mirror lens - no aperature. YES, you are right, there was NO flashing symbol for EF lenses mounted on EF adaptor. Sorry. RIGHT now, I am using the normal CANON 16X zooms lens with a 1.6X CANON teleconvertor - so far, I found the images acceptable. Using a EF lens on manual focus is a problem for me - as I stated in the previous post, the LCD viewer isn't sharp enough for that function. Also, most EF lenses are designed for AF operation, the manual focusing ring is just too small (compared with the zoom ring).