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Bjørn Sørensen · September 28th, 2003, 12:17 PM

I have a Pana DVX100 right now and like it very much for its picture quality.

Just curious - what would be the next step ahead in picture quality? The DVCPRO format? Can someone explain the differences to me and which camera could be the next one when it comes to better picture quality?

Ken Tanaka · September 28th, 2003, 12:36 PM

Are you looking for something also capable of 24P or are you just looking at image quality in general?

Bjørn Sørensen · September 28th, 2003, 01:24 PM

24P is not so important for me...

How much will I have to spend to really reach the next level in picture quality?

Which camcorder / format could be the next step, and what would the differences be in picure quality from my DVX100 ??

Ken Tanaka · September 28th, 2003, 01:46 PM

I think you'd begin to see a real difference by moving up to a 1/2" ccd camera. Now you're into the realm of the full-size ENG-style cameras (ex: Pana's AG-DVC200, Sony's DSR3xx series, JVC's DV5000, et.al.). Better optics, larger imaging sensors, better signal processing.

A reasonable low-end entry budget for a camera, viewfinder and lens combination would be US$6,000. This would give you a new JVC DV5000U with a basic lens and viewfinder. (Note that lenses, alone, in this 1/2" realm can run well into $20,000 although most run closer to the $3,000-$5,000 range.)

But accessories cost more in this realm, too. Your batteries will now cost several hundred each, a charger another $1,000, a tripod and head designed to handle this heavier load (12-20+lbs) will run another $2,000, etc.) a deck for basic capture may cost $3,000+.

Altogether, starting from scratch, I'd budget at least $20,000.

Frank Granovski · September 28th, 2003, 03:29 PM

I agree. The JVC DV500 (now DV5000) is a great cam. Concerning "better picture quality than DV," check out which cams have better picture quality for film transfers here:

http://www.swisseffects.ch

Digital BETA is right up there.

Michael Struthers · September 28th, 2003, 03:44 PM

good link Frank, thanks!

Michael Struthers
www.buzzdigital.com

Bjørn Sørensen · September 29th, 2003, 12:49 AM

Ken,

Thanks for the infos. I see the cameras you mention is all DV-format. Does that mean that getting the better picture quality is not a question about tape format but more about bigger chips, better lenses a.s.o ??

There is also DVCPRO cams in the $8000 range...

Frank Granovski · September 29th, 2003, 01:01 AM

DV, miniDV, DVCPRO etc, all has a maximum playback resolution of 540 horizontal lines. For a good run-down of the formats, check out this link:

http://www.adamwilt.com

Also, I have many great links posted here:

http://www.dvfreak.com/links.htm

Ken Tanaka · September 29th, 2003, 01:27 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Bjørn Sørensen : ...Does that mean that getting the better picture quality is not a question about tape format but more about bigger chips, better lenses a.s.o ??... -->>>

That is correct. Tape format does not determine image quality; it accommodates it.

September 28th, 2003, 12:17 PM	#1
Bjørn Sørensen Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Denmark Posts: 143	Better picture quality than DV... I have a Pana DVX100 right now and like it very much for its picture quality. Just curious - what would be the next step ahead in picture quality? The DVCPRO format? Can someone explain the differences to me and which camera could be the next one when it comes to better picture quality? __________________ x

September 28th, 2003, 12:36 PM	#2
Ken Tanaka Retired DV Info Net Almunus Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,943	Are you looking for something also capable of 24P or are you just looking at image quality in general? __________________ Lady X Films: A lady with a boring wardrobe...and a global mission. Hey, you don't have enough stuff! Buy with confidence from our sponsors. Hand-picked as the best in the business...Really! See some of my work one frame at a time: www.KenTanaka.com

September 28th, 2003, 01:24 PM	#3
Bjørn Sørensen Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Denmark Posts: 143	24P is not so important for me... How much will I have to spend to really reach the next level in picture quality? Which camcorder / format could be the next step, and what would the differences be in picure quality from my DVX100 ?? __________________ x

September 28th, 2003, 01:46 PM	#4
Ken Tanaka Retired DV Info Net Almunus Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,943	I think you'd begin to see a real difference by moving up to a 1/2" ccd camera. Now you're into the realm of the full-size ENG-style cameras (ex: Pana's AG-DVC200, Sony's DSR3xx series, JVC's DV5000, et.al.). Better optics, larger imaging sensors, better signal processing. A reasonable low-end entry budget for a camera, viewfinder and lens combination would be US$6,000. This would give you a new JVC DV5000U with a basic lens and viewfinder. (Note that lenses, alone, in this 1/2" realm can run well into $20,000 although most run closer to the $3,000-$5,000 range.) But accessories cost more in this realm, too. Your batteries will now cost several hundred each, a charger another $1,000, a tripod and head designed to handle this heavier load (12-20+lbs) will run another $2,000, etc.) a deck for basic capture may cost $3,000+. Altogether, starting from scratch, I'd budget at least $20,000. __________________ Lady X Films: A lady with a boring wardrobe...and a global mission. Hey, you don't have enough stuff! Buy with confidence from our sponsors. Hand-picked as the best in the business...Really! See some of my work one frame at a time: www.KenTanaka.com

September 29th, 2003, 12:49 AM	#7
Bjørn Sørensen Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Denmark Posts: 143	Ken, Thanks for the infos. I see the cameras you mention is all DV-format. Does that mean that getting the better picture quality is not a question about tape format but more about bigger chips, better lenses a.s.o ?? There is also DVCPRO cams in the $8000 range... __________________ x

September 28th, 2003, 03:29 PM	#5
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	I agree. The JVC DV500 (now DV5000) is a great cam. Concerning "better picture quality than DV," check out which cams have better picture quality for film transfers here: http://www.swisseffects.ch Digital BETA is right up there.

September 28th, 2003, 03:44 PM	#6
Michael Struthers Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: SF, Ca Posts: 421	good link Frank, thanks! Michael Struthers www.buzzdigital.com

September 29th, 2003, 01:01 AM	#8
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	DV, miniDV, DVCPRO etc, all has a maximum playback resolution of 540 horizontal lines. For a good run-down of the formats, check out this link: http://www.adamwilt.com Also, I have many great links posted here: http://www.dvfreak.com/links.htm

September 29th, 2003, 01:27 AM	#9
Ken Tanaka Retired DV Info Net Almunus Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,943	<<<-- Originally posted by Bjørn Sørensen : ...Does that mean that getting the better picture quality is not a question about tape format but more about bigger chips, better lenses a.s.o ??... -->>> That is correct. Tape format does not determine image quality; it accommodates it. __________________ Lady X Films: A lady with a boring wardrobe...and a global mission. Hey, you don't have enough stuff! Buy with confidence from our sponsors. Hand-picked as the best in the business...Really! See some of my work one frame at a time: www.KenTanaka.com