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Matt Ratelle · December 7th, 2008, 12:32 AM

I've been asked to look into closed captioning. My client is interested in translating their video, and having it closed captioned in other languages. Does anyone know how this can be done?

Ervin Farkas · December 8th, 2008, 08:53 AM

What is the distribution media?

Edward Phillips · December 8th, 2008, 09:32 AM

I've used a company called CPC in Maryland for my CC. I send them a tape (usually minidv) and they can transcript it at $3 a minute and caption it at $5 a minute (there's also a initial fee involved). They then run you a master tape of your choice (or to save $ you can send them a blank tape to run it to) with the line 21 info on it and that can be captured into most NLE's like Avid. Problem is there's no fixing the video after that. Any effect or change to the video will rid the line 21 info.

They're also very helpful if you have any questions...

CPC Computer Prompting and Captioning Co.

Matt Ratelle · December 8th, 2008, 12:30 PM

The client is a church that provides CCTV programming to roughly 800 apartment units in a seniors home. They have a lot of Spanish and Russian speaking people attending, and would like to provide subtitled translations in those languages(which I should have mentioned originally!). I'm assuming the language will make it harder to sync up. They don't have a lot of money, and the final product will probably only be seen by about 40 people.

Perrone Ford · December 8th, 2008, 01:06 PM

Are you talking about live video, or pre-recorded. Makes a BIG difference.

Matt Ratelle · December 8th, 2008, 04:59 PM

They'd actually like to know about both. I think the first order of business will be for prerecorded content though.

Les Wilson · December 9th, 2008, 11:59 AM

Translating it and closed captioning are separate but you have to have the translation people regardless of whether you close caption or use a language audio track.

I've done one piece with translation voice over and it's a lot of work. It was headed to the Chinese government so it was worth it. Closed Captioning is on top of translation and if your translator can't create the transcription, then you need someone to do that too (as mentioned in earlier postings).

The Church I am involved with broadcasts the translated audio to FM receivers that internationals use. Translators sit in a room with a video/audio feed and a microphone. It strikes me that you could record a realtime mix of the main english audio track underneath the translated audio track so at the end of the service, you have a synchronized translated recording.

If you want to do the voice over translation in post, that's an option too. Final Cut Pro has a built in tool for that and you might be able to teach your translators to run it. YMMV

Matt Ratelle · December 9th, 2008, 12:20 PM

Thanks Ernest! I didn't even think of that technique! I have a bit of a home studio, so I could simply have the translator watch the tape, record their audio, and import into FCP and sync it up I suppose. What is that technique called in FCP?

Les Wilson · December 10th, 2008, 06:49 AM

It's called Voice Over. Look it up in the help. You bring the footage into FCP and while it plays, you hear the original track and FCP records from the input device. It lays down each "take" on another audio track so you pick the one you want.

December 7th, 2008, 12:32 AM	#1
Matt Ratelle Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: St. Catharines, ON Posts: 63	Closed Captioning I've been asked to look into closed captioning. My client is interested in translating their video, and having it closed captioned in other languages. Does anyone know how this can be done?

December 8th, 2008, 08:53 AM	#2
Ervin Farkas Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Atlanta/USA Posts: 2,515	What is the distribution media? __________________ Ervin Farkas www.AtlantaLegalVideo.com

December 8th, 2008, 12:30 PM	#4
Matt Ratelle Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: St. Catharines, ON Posts: 63	Cc The client is a church that provides CCTV programming to roughly 800 apartment units in a seniors home. They have a lot of Spanish and Russian speaking people attending, and would like to provide subtitled translations in those languages(which I should have mentioned originally!). I'm assuming the language will make it harder to sync up. They don't have a lot of money, and the final product will probably only be seen by about 40 people.

December 8th, 2008, 01:06 PM	#5
Perrone Ford Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 4,100	Are you talking about live video, or pre-recorded. Makes a BIG difference. __________________ DVX100, PMW-EX1, Canon 550D, FigRig, Dell Octocore, Avid MC4/5, MB Looks, RedCineX, Matrox MX02 mini, GTech RAID, Edirol R-4, Senn. G2 Evo, Countryman, Moles and Lowels.

December 8th, 2008, 09:32 AM	#3
Edward Phillips Regular Crew Join Date: May 2008 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 118	I've used a company called CPC in Maryland for my CC. I send them a tape (usually minidv) and they can transcript it at $3 a minute and caption it at $5 a minute (there's also a initial fee involved). They then run you a master tape of your choice (or to save $ you can send them a blank tape to run it to) with the line 21 info on it and that can be captured into most NLE's like Avid. Problem is there's no fixing the video after that. Any effect or change to the video will rid the line 21 info. They're also very helpful if you have any questions... CPC Computer Prompting and Captioning Co.

December 8th, 2008, 04:59 PM	#6
Matt Ratelle Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: St. Catharines, ON Posts: 63	They'd actually like to know about both. I think the first order of business will be for prerecorded content though.

December 9th, 2008, 11:59 AM	#7
Les Wilson Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Boca Raton, FL Posts: 3,014	Translating it and closed captioning are separate but you have to have the translation people regardless of whether you close caption or use a language audio track. I've done one piece with translation voice over and it's a lot of work. It was headed to the Chinese government so it was worth it. Closed Captioning is on top of translation and if your translator can't create the transcription, then you need someone to do that too (as mentioned in earlier postings). The Church I am involved with broadcasts the translated audio to FM receivers that internationals use. Translators sit in a room with a video/audio feed and a microphone. It strikes me that you could record a realtime mix of the main english audio track underneath the translated audio track so at the end of the service, you have a synchronized translated recording. If you want to do the voice over translation in post, that's an option too. Final Cut Pro has a built in tool for that and you might be able to teach your translators to run it. YMMV

December 9th, 2008, 12:20 PM	#8
Matt Ratelle Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: St. Catharines, ON Posts: 63	Thanks Ernest! I didn't even think of that technique! I have a bit of a home studio, so I could simply have the translator watch the tape, record their audio, and import into FCP and sync it up I suppose. What is that technique called in FCP?

December 10th, 2008, 06:49 AM	#9
Les Wilson Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Boca Raton, FL Posts: 3,014	It's called Voice Over. Look it up in the help. You bring the footage into FCP and while it plays, you hear the original track and FCP records from the input device. It lays down each "take" on another audio track so you pick the one you want.