Posting some of my work...

Dylan Couper · June 16th, 2003, 07:43 PM

Cool stuff, I'm hungry now.

Trey Perrone · June 16th, 2003, 07:48 PM

ok, im thinkin of wrong tansmission then...my old roomie had the standard 4 door protege...the transmission was very easy to shift, but rather "loose" feeling. One of the guys i used to werk with in FL just got an STI...cant wait to go back down there and drive that beast!

anyhoo, the wing thing...any clips to show us? did u edit it on Vegas?

Glen Elliott · June 17th, 2003, 05:07 AM

Mark, we just submitted it to it's first festival- whether it gets accepted or not...I dunno. But it seems to be fitting. It's a film festival that is trying to collect works that were filmed in Philly. And the best part is there is a Food/Culinary catagory for entry. Wouldn't that be hillarious if it "qualified" for that entry- it'd be funny because I'm sure every other entry in it's class will be serious...ya know, about some local restaurant or budding chef- then here we are with this off the wall doc (about food) but not quite like the others. ;)
We've considered maketing it but we don't know all the ins and outs regarding the legality of it. For example don't we need written consent of all the people in it if we are marketing it for profit. Also what about bystandards.....do we have to blur their faces out if we don't have a written agreement for them to be included in the doc?

Trey, yeah the P5 and the standard Protege are worlds apart. The P5 has a front strut bar and front and rear bottom sway bars factory installed...needless to say it handles incredibly bone stock! It's a little skimping on the hp department but that's what a Bell Engineering supercharger is for. There's a bunch of guys that went this route on another forum I frequent- some have even posted videos of their runs...you'd be suprised how fast some of them are- breaking into the high 14's with this little mazda. lol

Unfortunatly we edited the entire doc in Premiere 6.02. I had no working knowlege of Vegas at the time. I can't wait till I get up and running with it- I was watching the ClassOnDemand DVD 2 last night and the Pan/Crop tool OWNS Premiere's "Motion" tool!

Mark Moore · June 17th, 2003, 06:20 AM

I know there is someone on the board that knows that answer, as I'm only theorizing - but for our doc, we are getting releases signed by ANYONE that's recognizable in the piece. We're also getting location releases to show their buildings in the doc and (in the case of the sculptor), he has unfinished "works in progress" all over his studio that are coming up in the background, and I'm getting releases to show his pieces of art (without compensation), including the Wright Brother's statues themselves.

However, I just don't know if I NEED to do all that, I'm just doing it. In a place with 23,000 smiling faces, I would think some are going to be recognizable, as well as the other contestants.

Can anyone answer this definitively for us?

Good luck getting in the festival. My one short was oh-for-four on the festival attempts!

Alex Knappenberger · June 17th, 2003, 01:42 PM

Mark, the best idea for filming a big venue with lots of people, legally, is to put a sign outside the entrance(s) saying something along the lines of "BY ATTENDING THIS VENUE YOU MAY APPEAR ON VIDEO".

Mark Moore · June 17th, 2003, 01:54 PM

That's certainly the easiest way to do it, but is it legal? I wouldn't have a clue! I'll certainly need to find out when I go to Kitty Hawk during the Flight Centennial week. It will be packed there!

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I did a search for "waiver release" and came up with some interesting info - but the more releases you have, the better off you are - though anyone can sue at any time, regardless of release. And if you harm someone's reputation, they have a better chance.

At least that's the intent of what I read!

Powell Browne · June 18th, 2003, 02:58 PM

I interned on teh show "Life Moments" and went on a few shoots in Los Angeles as a PA in charge of getting all the needed releases. From what I remember, you need to have releases for any person interviewed, as well as featured groups or people you specifically pick out of the crowd to include in a shot. Especially minors. General crowd shots don't necessitate getting a release from everyone who was there, but you do need to do something along the lines of what Alex was saying. I'm not sure what the exact words you need to include are, but you need to put the signs in a highly visible area, and explicitly express that by attending the event in question, they give their unconditional permission to the producers for their likeness to be used. It's good to have contact info as well. Hope that answers some of your questions :)

Powell Browne · June 18th, 2003, 03:02 PM

oh yeah...

Nice shots, Glen. I've seen that bloody nose animation before, do I know you from some other BB or something ;) hehe

Glen Elliott · June 18th, 2003, 04:49 PM

Maybe on the Flash Kit forums....I used to frequent those forums under the handle "Oblivion".

Mark Moore · June 18th, 2003, 06:59 PM

Thanks, Powell. Very informative.

Powell Browne · June 19th, 2003, 06:56 PM

I think I saw it as an avatar for someone on some forum, maybe protege5.com. Maybe it was you.

No prob, Mark.

Glen Elliott · June 20th, 2003, 08:22 AM

Heyy what's up man- yeah it was me. What's up man! Small world, huh! My handle over at the Protege board is "LazerBlueP5".
Hehe- it took me a few seconds to put two and two together- I've been having email coorespondence with you for a few days. Darn I'm dense sometimes. Did you join this forum after I linked you to it?

Powell Browne · June 22nd, 2003, 01:43 PM

hey how's it going? yeah... you're link inspired me to take part in the forum. looks like a nice place to get some info and talk to other people in the field.

Glen Elliott · June 22nd, 2003, 06:32 PM

Most definitly- welcome aboard. Btw, I'll send you some clips of work I did. That is of course if your mail server can handle 4mgs.

June 16th, 2003, 07:43 PM	#16
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	Cool stuff, I'm hungry now. __________________ Need to rent camera gear in Vancouver BC? Check me out at camerarentalsvancouver.com

June 16th, 2003, 07:48 PM	#17
Trey Perrone Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fredericksburg, VA Posts: 155	ok, im thinkin of wrong tansmission then...my old roomie had the standard 4 door protege...the transmission was very easy to shift, but rather "loose" feeling. One of the guys i used to werk with in FL just got an STI...cant wait to go back down there and drive that beast! anyhoo, the wing thing...any clips to show us? did u edit it on Vegas? __________________ Trey Perrone

June 17th, 2003, 06:20 AM	#19
Mark Moore Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North Carolina Posts: 301	I know there is someone on the board that knows that answer, as I'm only theorizing - but for our doc, we are getting releases signed by ANYONE that's recognizable in the piece. We're also getting location releases to show their buildings in the doc and (in the case of the sculptor), he has unfinished "works in progress" all over his studio that are coming up in the background, and I'm getting releases to show his pieces of art (without compensation), including the Wright Brother's statues themselves. However, I just don't know if I NEED to do all that, I'm just doing it. In a place with 23,000 smiling faces, I would think some are going to be recognizable, as well as the other contestants. Can anyone answer this definitively for us? Good luck getting in the festival. My one short was oh-for-four on the festival attempts! __________________ Mark Moore Sugar Free Productions

June 17th, 2003, 01:54 PM	#21
Mark Moore Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North Carolina Posts: 301	That's certainly the easiest way to do it, but is it legal? I wouldn't have a clue! I'll certainly need to find out when I go to Kitty Hawk during the Flight Centennial week. It will be packed there! ----- I did a search for "waiver release" and came up with some interesting info - but the more releases you have, the better off you are - though anyone can sue at any time, regardless of release. And if you harm someone's reputation, they have a better chance. At least that's the intent of what I read! __________________ Mark Moore Sugar Free Productions

June 18th, 2003, 02:58 PM	#22
Powell Browne Tourist Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Shamong, NJ Posts: 4	releases... I interned on teh show "Life Moments" and went on a few shoots in Los Angeles as a PA in charge of getting all the needed releases. From what I remember, you need to have releases for any person interviewed, as well as featured groups or people you specifically pick out of the crowd to include in a shot. Especially minors. General crowd shots don't necessitate getting a release from everyone who was there, but you do need to do something along the lines of what Alex was saying. I'm not sure what the exact words you need to include are, but you need to put the signs in a highly visible area, and explicitly express that by attending the event in question, they give their unconditional permission to the producers for their likeness to be used. It's good to have contact info as well. Hope that answers some of your questions :)

June 17th, 2003, 05:07 AM	#18
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	Mark, we just submitted it to it's first festival- whether it gets accepted or not...I dunno. But it seems to be fitting. It's a film festival that is trying to collect works that were filmed in Philly. And the best part is there is a Food/Culinary catagory for entry. Wouldn't that be hillarious if it "qualified" for that entry- it'd be funny because I'm sure every other entry in it's class will be serious...ya know, about some local restaurant or budding chef- then here we are with this off the wall doc (about food) but not quite like the others. ;) We've considered maketing it but we don't know all the ins and outs regarding the legality of it. For example don't we need written consent of all the people in it if we are marketing it for profit. Also what about bystandards.....do we have to blur their faces out if we don't have a written agreement for them to be included in the doc? Trey, yeah the P5 and the standard Protege are worlds apart. The P5 has a front strut bar and front and rear bottom sway bars factory installed...needless to say it handles incredibly bone stock! It's a little skimping on the hp department but that's what a Bell Engineering supercharger is for. There's a bunch of guys that went this route on another forum I frequent- some have even posted videos of their runs...you'd be suprised how fast some of them are- breaking into the high 14's with this little mazda. lol Unfortunatly we edited the entire doc in Premiere 6.02. I had no working knowlege of Vegas at the time. I can't wait till I get up and running with it- I was watching the ClassOnDemand DVD 2 last night and the Pan/Crop tool OWNS Premiere's "Motion" tool!

June 17th, 2003, 01:42 PM	#20
Alex Knappenberger High School Student Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Canton, Ohio, USA Posts: 609	Mark, the best idea for filming a big venue with lots of people, legally, is to put a sign outside the entrance(s) saying something along the lines of "BY ATTENDING THIS VENUE YOU MAY APPEAR ON VIDEO".

June 18th, 2003, 03:02 PM	#23
Powell Browne Tourist Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Shamong, NJ Posts: 4	oh yeah... Nice shots, Glen. I've seen that bloody nose animation before, do I know you from some other BB or something ;) hehe

June 18th, 2003, 04:49 PM	#24
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	Maybe on the Flash Kit forums....I used to frequent those forums under the handle "Oblivion".

June 18th, 2003, 06:59 PM	#25
Mark Moore Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North Carolina Posts: 301	Thanks, Powell. Very informative. __________________ Mark Moore Sugar Free Productions

June 19th, 2003, 06:56 PM	#26
Powell Browne Tourist Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Shamong, NJ Posts: 4	flash anim... I think I saw it as an avatar for someone on some forum, maybe protege5.com. Maybe it was you. No prob, Mark.

June 20th, 2003, 08:22 AM	#27
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	Heyy what's up man- yeah it was me. What's up man! Small world, huh! My handle over at the Protege board is "LazerBlueP5". Hehe- it took me a few seconds to put two and two together- I've been having email coorespondence with you for a few days. Darn I'm dense sometimes. Did you join this forum after I linked you to it?

June 22nd, 2003, 01:43 PM	#28
Powell Browne Tourist Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Shamong, NJ Posts: 4	hey how's it going? yeah... you're link inspired me to take part in the forum. looks like a nice place to get some info and talk to other people in the field.

June 22nd, 2003, 06:32 PM	#29
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	Most definitly- welcome aboard. Btw, I'll send you some clips of work I did. That is of course if your mail server can handle 4mgs.