Foggy morning framegrabs. at DVinfo.net

Alex Knappenberger · June 14th, 2003, 06:51 AM

It was pretty foggy around 5-6AM, and it was nice out, but a little wet, so I decided to go for a walk and I took my panasonic DV52 with me, just to see if I could get some cool stills from the framegrabs.

(Oh yeah, don't ask me why I had slippers on? heh)

Not too shabby for a $400 camcorder:

http://www.freewebs.com/harshmanner/crap/index2.htm

UPDATE -- Here's some more video framegrabs that I did at sunset, mostly cats and crap, because thats all thats around my backyard and stuff.

http://www.freewebs.com/alexknappenberger/index.htm

John Locke · June 14th, 2003, 07:18 AM

Why did you have slippers on, Alex?

Dylan Couper · June 14th, 2003, 09:06 AM

Alex, a couple of nice pics there. Very nice in fact.

Remember the rule of 3's while framing though.

Robert Knecht Schmidt · June 14th, 2003, 10:16 AM

I've heard it called the rule of thirds. The idea is to draw an imaginary tic-tac-toe board that takes up the entire width and height of your frame, and line up important features along the lines and intersections. Ostensibly, this aesthetic dictum is to stave off the monotony of framing everything dead center.

It's useful for head shots and interviews. When it comes to artistic photography, it's a rule made to be broken.

Dylan Couper · June 14th, 2003, 05:06 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Robert Knecht Schmidt :

It's useful for head shots and interviews. When it comes to artistic photography, it's a rule made to be broken. -->>>

(shhhh... don't tell him that until he's learned it first)

And yes it's the rule of Thirds, unless you are typing sloppy in a real hurry, then it's just 3's. :) Thanks for clearing it up for me though.

Alex, learn if first. Try and make all your shots using this rule, then compare the improvement of the quality of your stuff. Then you can start breaking it and you'll have a better point of referencee as to what of your stuff works and what doesn't.

The mind subconciously seems to line things up naturally to the Rule of Thirds. Most of your pictures follow it already. In the first pics, you're eyes (assuming thats you) are lined up along an invisible horizontal line that runs across the top 1/3rd of the picture. Very easy to look at. Your landscape picture #16 and #15-2 don't follow this rule, and the horizon splits the frame in 1/2. If you had the horizon running along the top 1/3rd as you do in #13 and #14, or the bottom 1/3rd it would look more natural. For diagonal lines, you can run diagonal lines throug the intersect points the tic-tac-toe grid makes and line stuff up from there.

Now, I'm only being picky because I think these are easily the best photos you have submitted so far. If I didn't like them, I wouldn't say anything at all. The previous stuff you've put up has been OK, but mostly so-so stuff in terms of the photographic element (no offense). Some of these pics show potential. I think you should leave Photoshop alone for a while and concentrate on what goes into the camera. It looks like you might have some talent behind a lens.

Alex Knappenberger · June 14th, 2003, 05:33 PM

Thanks for clearing that up and stuff, I know exactly what you guys are saying now. You haven't seen any of my videos, have you? I don't really want to post the links to the ones I have on the internet already, because they are pretty stupid, but people seem to like them. Actually the first video I made (it was really stupid) called "extreme animal hunt" got under the "highest rated clips" on singlereel.com like 2 months ago. The next video I make, I'll post for sure, it will have a electric scooter and someone getting shot in it.....heh.

Trey Perrone · June 14th, 2003, 06:06 PM

they're flipflops....

Alex Knappenberger · June 14th, 2003, 07:10 PM

Well, they technically aren't flipflops, because they dont go inbetween your toes. I guess you could call them sandles without a back portion, they just slip on. They are good for keeping by the door when you want to go outside to do some crap and don't feel like putting on your shoes. We used to have like 3 pairs of them, but one of my retarded cats chewed the other 2 up, completely to nothing, and the pair I still have are badly chewed up too. Stupid cat.

Trey Perrone · June 14th, 2003, 07:24 PM

all the same...some phat shotz by the way

Zac Stein · June 14th, 2003, 07:38 PM

What the HELL is a flip flop?????

Are you talking about the Australian beach shoes, thongs?

Zac

Mark Moore · June 14th, 2003, 07:53 PM

Ha ha. I guess some words are not universal! A flip flop is a rubber soled sandel with a piece of rubber (usually rubber) that goes over the toes and between the big toe and second toe. When you walk, the back of the sole comes up and smacks you in the heel, hence the name "Flip-Flop".

We had a man (from NJ) who came to work in our office (in NC) a few years ago. We were talking about buying and selling tobaggons (with our logo) so people could keep their heads warm. He looked at us like were crazy and asked why would a sled keep someone warm?

Down south, a tobaggon is something you wear on your head, while up north it is a snow sled you ride.

I guess we don't need to get into beach music dances (shagging) do we? Oh the wonderful world of language!

Oh, by the way - nice pics, Alex and ditto on the thirds thing! I liked the one with the red light in the background and the red "thing" in the foreground.

Zac Stein · June 14th, 2003, 08:13 PM

yeah i finally got it,

What australians have been wearing for about 100 years to go to the beach, americans took and named underwear after them, then named the actual shoe after the sound... too strange

Whats next grey spelled like gray?

Zac

Mark Moore · June 14th, 2003, 08:16 PM

Absolutely! However, I can probably name some things I'm glad we DIDN'T name after the sound they make! ;D

Alex Knappenberger · June 14th, 2003, 08:28 PM

Not tooting my own horn, but I am having a hard time believing this is a DV framegrab, even though I took it, escpecially from just a $350 DV camera:

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-6/212104/cat4.jpg

I did some more vertical framegrabs, i'll upload them soon. They are framed better. :D I enjoy doing video, but doing stills like that is pretty cool too, and you don't need lots of resources to do it. I'd buy a digital camera but then I couldn't take 30 pictures a second and select the best one. I'm honestly not too good with still cameras, my timing is off big time.

Here's another better exposed one:

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-6/212104/cat6.jpg

Yet another:

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-6/212104/cat7.jpg

Alex Knappenberger · June 14th, 2003, 09:24 PM

Here's some more video framegrabs that I did at sunset, mostly cats and crap, because thats all thats around my backyard and stuff.

http://www.freewebs.com/alexknappenberger/index.htm

June 14th, 2003, 07:18 AM	#2
John Locke Retired DV Info Net Almunus Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Austin, TX USA Posts: 2,882	Why did you have slippers on, Alex? __________________ John Locke SursumFilms.com

June 14th, 2003, 09:06 AM	#3
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	Alex, a couple of nice pics there. Very nice in fact. Remember the rule of 3's while framing though. __________________ Need to rent camera gear in Vancouver BC? Check me out at camerarentalsvancouver.com

June 14th, 2003, 10:16 AM	#4
Robert Knecht Schmidt Wrangler Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,933	I've heard it called the rule of thirds. The idea is to draw an imaginary tic-tac-toe board that takes up the entire width and height of your frame, and line up important features along the lines and intersections. Ostensibly, this aesthetic dictum is to stave off the monotony of framing everything dead center. It's useful for head shots and interviews. When it comes to artistic photography, it's a rule made to be broken. __________________ All the best, Robert K S Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| The best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

June 14th, 2003, 05:06 PM	#5
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	<<<-- Originally posted by Robert Knecht Schmidt : It's useful for head shots and interviews. When it comes to artistic photography, it's a rule made to be broken. -->>> (shhhh... don't tell him that until he's learned it first) And yes it's the rule of Thirds, unless you are typing sloppy in a real hurry, then it's just 3's. :) Thanks for clearing it up for me though. Alex, learn if first. Try and make all your shots using this rule, then compare the improvement of the quality of your stuff. Then you can start breaking it and you'll have a better point of referencee as to what of your stuff works and what doesn't. The mind subconciously seems to line things up naturally to the Rule of Thirds. Most of your pictures follow it already. In the first pics, you're eyes (assuming thats you) are lined up along an invisible horizontal line that runs across the top 1/3rd of the picture. Very easy to look at. Your landscape picture #16 and #15-2 don't follow this rule, and the horizon splits the frame in 1/2. If you had the horizon running along the top 1/3rd as you do in #13 and #14, or the bottom 1/3rd it would look more natural. For diagonal lines, you can run diagonal lines throug the intersect points the tic-tac-toe grid makes and line stuff up from there. Now, I'm only being picky because I think these are easily the best photos you have submitted so far. If I didn't like them, I wouldn't say anything at all. The previous stuff you've put up has been OK, but mostly so-so stuff in terms of the photographic element (no offense). Some of these pics show potential. I think you should leave Photoshop alone for a while and concentrate on what goes into the camera. It looks like you might have some talent behind a lens. __________________ Need to rent camera gear in Vancouver BC? Check me out at camerarentalsvancouver.com

June 14th, 2003, 06:06 PM	#7
Trey Perrone Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fredericksburg, VA Posts: 155	they're flipflops.... __________________ Trey Perrone

June 14th, 2003, 06:51 AM	#1
Alex Knappenberger High School Student Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Canton, Ohio, USA Posts: 609	Foggy morning framegrabs. It was pretty foggy around 5-6AM, and it was nice out, but a little wet, so I decided to go for a walk and I took my panasonic DV52 with me, just to see if I could get some cool stills from the framegrabs. (Oh yeah, don't ask me why I had slippers on? heh) Not too shabby for a $400 camcorder: http://www.freewebs.com/harshmanner/crap/index2.htm UPDATE -- Here's some more video framegrabs that I did at sunset, mostly cats and crap, because thats all thats around my backyard and stuff. http://www.freewebs.com/alexknappenberger/index.htm

June 14th, 2003, 05:33 PM	#6
Alex Knappenberger High School Student Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Canton, Ohio, USA Posts: 609	Thanks for clearing that up and stuff, I know exactly what you guys are saying now. You haven't seen any of my videos, have you? I don't really want to post the links to the ones I have on the internet already, because they are pretty stupid, but people seem to like them. Actually the first video I made (it was really stupid) called "extreme animal hunt" got under the "highest rated clips" on singlereel.com like 2 months ago. The next video I make, I'll post for sure, it will have a electric scooter and someone getting shot in it.....heh.

June 14th, 2003, 07:10 PM	#8
Alex Knappenberger High School Student Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Canton, Ohio, USA Posts: 609	Well, they technically aren't flipflops, because they dont go inbetween your toes. I guess you could call them sandles without a back portion, they just slip on. They are good for keeping by the door when you want to go outside to do some crap and don't feel like putting on your shoes. We used to have like 3 pairs of them, but one of my retarded cats chewed the other 2 up, completely to nothing, and the pair I still have are badly chewed up too. Stupid cat.

June 14th, 2003, 07:24 PM	#9
Trey Perrone Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fredericksburg, VA Posts: 155	all the same...some phat shotz by the way __________________ Trey Perrone

June 14th, 2003, 07:38 PM	#10
Zac Stein Major Player Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 730	What the HELL is a flip flop????? Are you talking about the Australian beach shoes, thongs? Zac

June 14th, 2003, 07:53 PM	#11
Mark Moore Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North Carolina Posts: 301	Ha ha. I guess some words are not universal! A flip flop is a rubber soled sandel with a piece of rubber (usually rubber) that goes over the toes and between the big toe and second toe. When you walk, the back of the sole comes up and smacks you in the heel, hence the name "Flip-Flop". We had a man (from NJ) who came to work in our office (in NC) a few years ago. We were talking about buying and selling tobaggons (with our logo) so people could keep their heads warm. He looked at us like were crazy and asked why would a sled keep someone warm? Down south, a tobaggon is something you wear on your head, while up north it is a snow sled you ride. I guess we don't need to get into beach music dances (shagging) do we? Oh the wonderful world of language! Oh, by the way - nice pics, Alex and ditto on the thirds thing! I liked the one with the red light in the background and the red "thing" in the foreground. __________________ Mark Moore Sugar Free Productions

June 14th, 2003, 08:13 PM	#12
Zac Stein Major Player Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 730	yeah i finally got it, What australians have been wearing for about 100 years to go to the beach, americans took and named underwear after them, then named the actual shoe after the sound... too strange Whats next grey spelled like gray? Zac

June 14th, 2003, 08:16 PM	#13
Mark Moore Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North Carolina Posts: 301	Absolutely! However, I can probably name some things I'm glad we DIDN'T name after the sound they make! ;D __________________ Mark Moore Sugar Free Productions

June 14th, 2003, 08:28 PM	#14
Alex Knappenberger High School Student Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Canton, Ohio, USA Posts: 609	Not tooting my own horn, but I am having a hard time believing this is a DV framegrab, even though I took it, escpecially from just a $350 DV camera: http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-6/212104/cat4.jpg I did some more vertical framegrabs, i'll upload them soon. They are framed better. :D I enjoy doing video, but doing stills like that is pretty cool too, and you don't need lots of resources to do it. I'd buy a digital camera but then I couldn't take 30 pictures a second and select the best one. I'm honestly not too good with still cameras, my timing is off big time. Here's another better exposed one: http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-6/212104/cat6.jpg Yet another: http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-6/212104/cat7.jpg

June 14th, 2003, 09:24 PM	#15
Alex Knappenberger High School Student Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Canton, Ohio, USA Posts: 609	Here's some more video framegrabs that I did at sunset, mostly cats and crap, because thats all thats around my backyard and stuff. http://www.freewebs.com/alexknappenberger/index.htm