Vegas 4 vs Premiere 6.5

jonniesiri · April 9th, 2003, 07:18 AM

I actually planned to purchase FCP 4.O + a New Mac G4 in a few months. But in the last few days, I've read so many positive reviews for Vegas 4.0 in varies forums and decided to give it a try. I got it under $400, and thought I've nothing to lose. I'm a premiere 6 user, found it abit fussy, and I like that color correction in Vegas. Beside, I'm not doing any serious filming so I save several grands.

Carl Slawinski · April 9th, 2003, 08:51 AM

I have to admit that after be one of the ones to bring up the financials on Sonic Foundry that I can't ignore that obvious outpour of support for Vegas that it's users have heaped upon it. I haven't read a single bad review on it.

As some have mentioned here, the price is nice. You could by 3 Vegas priced packages before one AVID. Also Vegas seems to incorporate some pretty high end features for it's price.

I'm still giving Edition the most serious thought even though they seemed to be more interested in marketing than support. However, I would like to see some side-by-side type comparisions between Edition and Vegas.

Anyone know of any?

Also, out of the box, what does Vegas offer for Titling and FX?

Thanks

Carl

Don Bloom · April 9th, 2003, 10:03 AM

Carl as I mentioned before, I've been using both and frankly, both have great titling and FX's. I like the features of both, and having been a Pinnacle product user for 3 years I felt it was a natural swithover. It wasn't from a standpoint of ease of learning the interface. Editions interface takes a little getting usedto but once you do it really makes sense. As I said before the only reason I'm using Vegas4, and frankly am quite happy with it, is because I'm having a challenge with Edition and logging clips on my system. I've been conversing on the differnt forums, there are some besides Pinnacle, and I have come to the conclusion that it's just some small thing in my system thats throwing me off. When I'm all caught up I'll spend more time getting into it but back to the original question, the kick a** thing about Edition is the BACKGROUND rendering. It's as close to absolute real time as there can be. You do an effect and don't have to wait for anything, keep cutting and editing. Effects are relatively easy as they are in Vegas, as a matter of fact there are some things I've been able to do in V4 that I still haven't figured out how to do in Edition. BTW, I've been using Vegas now for a whole 8 days. I finished a Bar Mitzvah, a wedding (2 versions) and have a 2nd wedding almost done. Small learning curve :)
Carl, since you and I live very close perhaps you can email me off line and we could make arrangements to get together and you could try them yourself.
Hope this didn't muddy the issue for you!
Don

Will Fastie · April 9th, 2003, 10:03 AM

I'd love to see some head-to-head comparisons, but haven't found any. The magazines are all a bit too small and fighting for life to offend advertisers by annointing a winner. Although Vegas has been around for awhile, v4 is the first heavy contender in the price category. It, like Edition, is relatively new to the market.

For whatever reason, the vendors of the NLEs have not put head-to-head lists on their sites. I find that a bit unusual, but it's still early.

There are some folks here who have used both Vegas and Premiere. Maybe they could make a comparison list.

Carl Slawinski · April 9th, 2003, 10:45 AM

Don, actually I sent you an e-mail several weeks ago, but never received a reply or you never got it for some reason. Check your profile and make sure that your e-mail address is current. I've been suspecting a problem with my new e-mail provider, but don't have any evidence to show that mail is not being delivered in both directions.

In any event, I would like to get together some time. You can e-mail me at the address in my profile.

Thanks

Carl

Lars Siden · April 9th, 2003, 11:54 AM

Hi All,

As thread-starter I must thank you all for your valuable input...even though the thread went a bit "out of subject" ;-)

I have now ordered Vegas 4...and hopefully my employer will by Adobes "creative bundle"..then I will have access to After Effects as well ;-)

Happy editing!

Best regards,

Lazze Z

Don Bloom · April 9th, 2003, 12:54 PM

Hi Carl,
WOW, I never got an email from you UNLESS you use a different name or something. I certainly would have opened it if I saw your name or something in the subject line to indicate it was you. I checked my email address and it is correct, I've had that address for about 3 yeras now. Try email to me again and we'll see how it works.
Don

P.S.
There is no email address listed for you Carl, Hence this message :0
Don

Jacob Walker · April 9th, 2003, 10:25 PM

I've had Vegas 3 for a long time but never used it much. After all of the discussion I’m starting to explorer and use it more often. My question is I'm matching up some audio from a minidisc recording. In premiere I would use the razor tool to cut out unwanted segments and move the clips around. How do I do this in Vegas? I've tried opening it up in Sound Forge 6 but that’s just annoying to go from one program to the other, especially when it builds the peaks every time you save it. I've mess around with the trimmer window with no success. Help would be great. Thanks

Tor Salomonsen · April 10th, 2003, 12:19 AM

Are you making one audio track where you save some highlights and discard what was in between? That I would do entirely in Sound Forge.
If these are audio tracks of video it's another story.

Vegas is non-destructive. When you have a track on the timeline you can push or pull its edges back and forth, it does not change anything in your original file. That's what you do if what you want to discard is at the beginning or end of the event. If you zoom in the timeline you can edit very accurately.
If you want cuts like cutting out something in the middle - position the cursor and hit S. This will split the selected track as well as (I think) those that are locked with it.

If you do right-click and choose Open in Sound Forge, Sf will create a take 2 for you in Vegas, and Vegas will automatically start using the new take instead of the one you had. It's not quite like going from one program to another, more like activating a plug-in.

A tip: If these audio event require different treatment (EQ and stuff) you should sort them on separate tracks according to their needs, so you can apply you FXs at track level.

Jacob Walker · April 10th, 2003, 08:08 AM

Thats what I needed to know. Thanks!!!

Joe Carney · April 10th, 2003, 12:03 PM

Also, just to be safe, make a copy of the audio (a second track) and open that one in SoundForge. When finished, delete the original if the new one is what you want. You can silence the original track during editing.

jonniesiri · April 11th, 2003, 06:34 AM

Is there a possible way to utilize Mainconcept Codec in Vegas 4? I just installed Vegas last night and played around with the interface, it is very responsive. It is certainly way better than premiere.

Rob Easler · April 11th, 2003, 10:42 AM

Regarding the main concept codec, it is always used when you transcode to Mpeg 2 files when you create them in Vegas so you're covered there. For everything else, by default, Vegas uses it's own codec which is very good. It is much better than the old microsoft codec, although microsoft has improoved theirs. Unlike with Premiere you dont have do go trying to fool Vegas into using the main concept codec. The Sonic Foundry Codec is good. You should leave it alone.

jonniesiri · April 11th, 2003, 10:56 AM

Well, that sounds like I'm covered. Thanks Rob!

Jacob Walker · April 11th, 2003, 12:00 PM

Can you export a project straigt from vegas using Canopus ProCoder? In premiere you can, but was wondering if vegas could do the same thing. It's kinda a pain to save it as an avi and than to mp2 with procoder.

April 9th, 2003, 07:18 AM	#61
jonniesiri Posting suspended -- Contact Admin Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: TN Posts: 12	I just ordered Vegas+DVD yestersday. I actually planned to purchase FCP 4.O + a New Mac G4 in a few months. But in the last few days, I've read so many positive reviews for Vegas 4.0 in varies forums and decided to give it a try. I got it under $400, and thought I've nothing to lose. I'm a premiere 6 user, found it abit fussy, and I like that color correction in Vegas. Beside, I'm not doing any serious filming so I save several grands.

April 9th, 2003, 11:54 AM	#66
Lars Siden Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sweden, Stockholm Posts: 469	Hi All, As thread-starter I must thank you all for your valuable input...even though the thread went a bit "out of subject" ;-) I have now ordered Vegas 4...and hopefully my employer will by Adobes "creative bundle"..then I will have access to After Effects as well ;-) Happy editing! Best regards, Lazze Z __________________ Sony HDR-CX130,Canon 5DMKII,i7 930@4.0, 12gb memory, 3x SSD + 2x1Tb(stripe), Geforce 480, Dual 24", Win 7 x64

April 9th, 2003, 10:25 PM	#68
Jacob Walker Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Enumclaw, WA Posts: 69	Trimmer? I've had Vegas 3 for a long time but never used it much. After all of the discussion I’m starting to explorer and use it more often. My question is I'm matching up some audio from a minidisc recording. In premiere I would use the razor tool to cut out unwanted segments and move the clips around. How do I do this in Vegas? I've tried opening it up in Sound Forge 6 but that’s just annoying to go from one program to the other, especially when it builds the peaks every time you save it. I've mess around with the trimmer window with no success. Help would be great. Thanks

April 11th, 2003, 12:00 PM	#75
Jacob Walker Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Enumclaw, WA Posts: 69	ProCoder Can you export a project straigt from vegas using Canopus ProCoder? In premiere you can, but was wondering if vegas could do the same thing. It's kinda a pain to save it as an avi and than to mp2 with procoder.

April 9th, 2003, 08:51 AM	#62
Carl Slawinski Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Mount Prospect, IL Posts: 67	I have to admit that after be one of the ones to bring up the financials on Sonic Foundry that I can't ignore that obvious outpour of support for Vegas that it's users have heaped upon it. I haven't read a single bad review on it. As some have mentioned here, the price is nice. You could by 3 Vegas priced packages before one AVID. Also Vegas seems to incorporate some pretty high end features for it's price. I'm still giving Edition the most serious thought even though they seemed to be more interested in marketing than support. However, I would like to see some side-by-side type comparisions between Edition and Vegas. Anyone know of any? Also, out of the box, what does Vegas offer for Titling and FX? Thanks Carl

April 9th, 2003, 10:03 AM	#63
Don Bloom Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,609	Carl as I mentioned before, I've been using both and frankly, both have great titling and FX's. I like the features of both, and having been a Pinnacle product user for 3 years I felt it was a natural swithover. It wasn't from a standpoint of ease of learning the interface. Editions interface takes a little getting usedto but once you do it really makes sense. As I said before the only reason I'm using Vegas4, and frankly am quite happy with it, is because I'm having a challenge with Edition and logging clips on my system. I've been conversing on the differnt forums, there are some besides Pinnacle, and I have come to the conclusion that it's just some small thing in my system thats throwing me off. When I'm all caught up I'll spend more time getting into it but back to the original question, the kick a** thing about Edition is the BACKGROUND rendering. It's as close to absolute real time as there can be. You do an effect and don't have to wait for anything, keep cutting and editing. Effects are relatively easy as they are in Vegas, as a matter of fact there are some things I've been able to do in V4 that I still haven't figured out how to do in Edition. BTW, I've been using Vegas now for a whole 8 days. I finished a Bar Mitzvah, a wedding (2 versions) and have a 2nd wedding almost done. Small learning curve :) Carl, since you and I live very close perhaps you can email me off line and we could make arrangements to get together and you could try them yourself. Hope this didn't muddy the issue for you! Don

April 9th, 2003, 10:03 AM	#64
Will Fastie Major Player Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Jarrettsville, MD Posts: 353	I'd love to see some head-to-head comparisons, but haven't found any. The magazines are all a bit too small and fighting for life to offend advertisers by annointing a winner. Although Vegas has been around for awhile, v4 is the first heavy contender in the price category. It, like Edition, is relatively new to the market. For whatever reason, the vendors of the NLEs have not put head-to-head lists on their sites. I find that a bit unusual, but it's still early. There are some folks here who have used both Vegas and Premiere. Maybe they could make a comparison list.

April 9th, 2003, 10:45 AM	#65
Carl Slawinski Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Mount Prospect, IL Posts: 67	Don, actually I sent you an e-mail several weeks ago, but never received a reply or you never got it for some reason. Check your profile and make sure that your e-mail address is current. I've been suspecting a problem with my new e-mail provider, but don't have any evidence to show that mail is not being delivered in both directions. In any event, I would like to get together some time. You can e-mail me at the address in my profile. Thanks Carl

April 9th, 2003, 12:54 PM	#67
Don Bloom Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,609	Hi Carl, WOW, I never got an email from you UNLESS you use a different name or something. I certainly would have opened it if I saw your name or something in the subject line to indicate it was you. I checked my email address and it is correct, I've had that address for about 3 yeras now. Try email to me again and we'll see how it works. Don P.S. There is no email address listed for you Carl, Hence this message :0 Don

April 10th, 2003, 12:19 AM	#69
Tor Salomonsen Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Stavanger, Norway Posts: 265	Are you making one audio track where you save some highlights and discard what was in between? That I would do entirely in Sound Forge. If these are audio tracks of video it's another story. Vegas is non-destructive. When you have a track on the timeline you can push or pull its edges back and forth, it does not change anything in your original file. That's what you do if what you want to discard is at the beginning or end of the event. If you zoom in the timeline you can edit very accurately. If you want cuts like cutting out something in the middle - position the cursor and hit S. This will split the selected track as well as (I think) those that are locked with it. If you do right-click and choose Open in Sound Forge, Sf will create a take 2 for you in Vegas, and Vegas will automatically start using the new take instead of the one you had. It's not quite like going from one program to another, more like activating a plug-in. A tip: If these audio event require different treatment (EQ and stuff) you should sort them on separate tracks according to their needs, so you can apply you FXs at track level.

April 10th, 2003, 08:08 AM	#70
Jacob Walker Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Enumclaw, WA Posts: 69	Thats what I needed to know. Thanks!!!

April 10th, 2003, 12:03 PM	#71
Joe Carney Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Centreville Va Posts: 1,828	Also, just to be safe, make a copy of the audio (a second track) and open that one in SoundForge. When finished, delete the original if the new one is what you want. You can silence the original track during editing.

April 11th, 2003, 06:34 AM	#72
jonniesiri Posting suspended -- Contact Admin Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: TN Posts: 12	Is there a possible way to utilize Mainconcept Codec in Vegas 4? I just installed Vegas last night and played around with the interface, it is very responsive. It is certainly way better than premiere.

April 11th, 2003, 10:42 AM	#73
Rob Easler Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Naperville, IL Posts: 219	Regarding the main concept codec, it is always used when you transcode to Mpeg 2 files when you create them in Vegas so you're covered there. For everything else, by default, Vegas uses it's own codec which is very good. It is much better than the old microsoft codec, although microsoft has improoved theirs. Unlike with Premiere you dont have do go trying to fool Vegas into using the main concept codec. The Sonic Foundry Codec is good. You should leave it alone.

April 11th, 2003, 10:56 AM	#74
jonniesiri Posting suspended -- Contact Admin Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: TN Posts: 12	Well, that sounds like I'm covered. Thanks Rob!