Safe areas

Matt Brabender · December 12th, 2005, 05:15 PM

It seems that as more and more people watch videos with a computer (either on the screen or projected), that safe areas which I rely on are not so safe anymore.

I've just complete a project which consist of lots and lots (and lots) of stills, many of which are panned and zoomed and many of them are not high res.
On a television they look great, but when viewed on a computer, you can see the edge of the pics come into view.

So what's the solution? Creating a 4:3 black border - track matte style?
or are there render settings I've never looked at before?

David Kennett · December 13th, 2005, 01:42 PM

Having retired from a career in television, I can say that this problem has been around for a long time. Many of the newer camcorder viewfinders show a cropped picture, trying to approximate the average cropping of most TVs. The problem is (as you have discovered) that garbage can sometimes appear in the unseen edges.

The solution is to have a viewfinder showing the entire picture. You must then compose shots so that nothing critical gets outside the "safe area", maybe 90% to 95% of the width or height.

DLP or LCD front projectors will usually show the entire picture, so you must be prepared for both - nothing critical near the edges, but no garbage there either.

Christopher Lefchik · December 13th, 2005, 10:55 PM

If you are animating the stills from within your NLE or a program like After Effects, simply make sure the edges of the images don't come into cross the edge of the monitor window into view. Make the actual edge of the 720x480 window your outermost "safe edge." That is what I do.

Matt Brabender · December 14th, 2005, 12:12 AM

I think that is what I'll have to do in the future. The problem with this project was a complete lack of material so I was forced to use pictures that were very small. If they were blown up any further, they'd be so blurry you'd be sick.

David Andrews · December 14th, 2005, 04:57 AM

Another solution, but one involving a lot more work, is to scan small photos at high resolution and then import them into Canopus Imaginate 2. This is a software programme that works like a rostrum camera, enabling tracking across the photo or zooming in for close ups using the scanned image (or digital still) resolution. The result is saved as a project and converted to an avi for import into your nle.

I have done quite a lot of this, working with 80 year old Box Brownie b/w photos. These are very small to begin with - 2" X 2". I scan them using Photoshop Elements. More often than not, they need some tweaking in Photoshop to improve image quality before importing them into Imaginate. My recent family archive DVDs have been based entirely on using this method

Laurence Kingston · December 14th, 2005, 10:48 AM

Instead of letting the editor zoom, I use the program "Photozoom Pro", found here:

http://www.benvista.com/main/content/content.php

It does the best zooming interpolation I've ever seen. Often you can make the smallest of pictures look just fine.

Chris Barcellos · December 14th, 2005, 12:36 PM

It may not be that professional level you are looking for, but Pinnacle Studio 9 handles photos in their existing size and format, using a background matte to fill around the photo. Also has a limited zoom and pan capability that can be use effectively.

Sean McHenry · December 14th, 2005, 12:56 PM

I may have missed something here. If you are intending to have your videos on both televisions and computers, I would create a black border at the safe picture edge and mask any stray video. If you cater to TV, your PC viewers will likely see a different composition. If you cater to the PC screen, your TV viewers will loose some of the composition.

Look at the formats as different sized picture frames. Stuff an 8x10 pic into a 5x7 frame and you loose image. Put that 5x7 in an 8x10 frame, you have unused real estate.

I look at it this way. If it's art, you should provide the frame dimensions. Declare it is for one format or another. If that won't work, to do it right, you'll need to make 2 versions.

Sean

Matt Brabender · December 14th, 2005, 05:32 PM

Sean, thankyou, I needed to hear that.
There's no way I'm going to make two versions. This is a 50 minute doco that consists of mostly stills. To remake it for PC would take a long time as alot of the stills are in motion.

I'll go with the border for now.

December 12th, 2005, 05:15 PM	#1
Matt Brabender Major Player Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 230	Safe areas - not so safe anymore It seems that as more and more people watch videos with a computer (either on the screen or projected), that safe areas which I rely on are not so safe anymore. I've just complete a project which consist of lots and lots (and lots) of stills, many of which are panned and zoomed and many of them are not high res. On a television they look great, but when viewed on a computer, you can see the edge of the pics come into view. So what's the solution? Creating a 4:3 black border - track matte style? or are there render settings I've never looked at before?

December 13th, 2005, 01:42 PM	#2
David Kennett Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: North Ridgeville, Ohio Posts: 407	Having retired from a career in television, I can say that this problem has been around for a long time. Many of the newer camcorder viewfinders show a cropped picture, trying to approximate the average cropping of most TVs. The problem is (as you have discovered) that garbage can sometimes appear in the unseen edges. The solution is to have a viewfinder showing the entire picture. You must then compose shots so that nothing critical gets outside the "safe area", maybe 90% to 95% of the width or height. DLP or LCD front projectors will usually show the entire picture, so you must be prepared for both - nothing critical near the edges, but no garbage there either. __________________ Dave

December 14th, 2005, 12:36 PM	#7
Chris Barcellos Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elk Grove CA Posts: 6,838	Photos in Pinnacle Studio 9 It may not be that professional level you are looking for, but Pinnacle Studio 9 handles photos in their existing size and format, using a background matte to fill around the photo. Also has a limited zoom and pan capability that can be use effectively.

December 14th, 2005, 12:56 PM	#8
Sean McHenry Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hilliard, Ohio Posts: 1,193	I may have missed something here. If you are intending to have your videos on both televisions and computers, I would create a black border at the safe picture edge and mask any stray video. If you cater to TV, your PC viewers will likely see a different composition. If you cater to the PC screen, your TV viewers will loose some of the composition. Look at the formats as different sized picture frames. Stuff an 8x10 pic into a 5x7 frame and you loose image. Put that 5x7 in an 8x10 frame, you have unused real estate. I look at it this way. If it's art, you should provide the frame dimensions. Declare it is for one format or another. If that won't work, to do it right, you'll need to make 2 versions. Sean __________________ ‘I don’t know what I’m doing, and I’m shooting on D.V.’ - my hero - David Lynch http://www.DeepBlueEdit.com

December 13th, 2005, 10:55 PM	#3
Christopher Lefchik Trustee Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: US Posts: 1,152	If you are animating the stills from within your NLE or a program like After Effects, simply make sure the edges of the images don't come into cross the edge of the monitor window into view. Make the actual edge of the 720x480 window your outermost "safe edge." That is what I do.

December 14th, 2005, 12:12 AM	#4
Matt Brabender Major Player Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 230	I think that is what I'll have to do in the future. The problem with this project was a complete lack of material so I was forced to use pictures that were very small. If they were blown up any further, they'd be so blurry you'd be sick.

December 14th, 2005, 04:57 AM	#5
David Andrews Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 131	Another solution, but one involving a lot more work, is to scan small photos at high resolution and then import them into Canopus Imaginate 2. This is a software programme that works like a rostrum camera, enabling tracking across the photo or zooming in for close ups using the scanned image (or digital still) resolution. The result is saved as a project and converted to an avi for import into your nle. I have done quite a lot of this, working with 80 year old Box Brownie b/w photos. These are very small to begin with - 2" X 2". I scan them using Photoshop Elements. More often than not, they need some tweaking in Photoshop to improve image quality before importing them into Imaginate. My recent family archive DVDs have been based entirely on using this method

December 14th, 2005, 10:48 AM	#6
Laurence Kingston Major Player Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Clermont, FL. Posts: 941	Instead of letting the editor zoom, I use the program "Photozoom Pro", found here: http://www.benvista.com/main/content/content.php It does the best zooming interpolation I've ever seen. Often you can make the smallest of pictures look just fine.

December 14th, 2005, 05:32 PM	#9
Matt Brabender Major Player Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 230	Sean, thankyou, I needed to hear that. There's no way I'm going to make two versions. This is a 50 minute doco that consists of mostly stills. To remake it for PC would take a long time as alot of the stills are in motion. I'll go with the border for now.