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John McCully · February 27th, 2014, 11:47 PM

I am about to place an order for this lot below suggested by my local supplier for mostly editing using Vegas Pro 12 for now but that could change . Oh, I should add I'm just a 'hobbyist' videographer. What do you think? Comments most appreciated.:

Nanoxia Deep Silence DS2 Mid tower
Noctua NH-U14S CPU Cooler with NF-A15 PWM
Intel Haswell Core i7 4771 3.50 GHz 8MB LGA 1150
ASUS Z87-Deluxe Intel Z87 ATX Haswell LGA1150 Motherboard
ASUS GTX770-DC2OC-2GD5 GeForce GTX770 Ovreclocked 2GB GDDRS PCI-E3.0
Mushkin Blackline Frostbyte 16GB (2x8GBS DDR3-1600 CL9 (997068)
Corsair RM series RM750W Fully Modular PSU 80Plus Gold

James Manford · February 28th, 2014, 04:11 AM

I've been told to buy a 3930k or any of the x79 platform CPU's for video editing as it requires a lot of horsepower.

However, I am doing fine with just a i7 3770k and 32gb ram and a R9 270x now.

I think video editing depends on so many factors that you can go spend a lot of money on very expensive gear, only to be crippled because of a simple setting within the program.

The setup your looking to buy looks more than capable. I would invest in 32gb ram at least though.

Noa Put · February 28th, 2014, 05:00 AM

Even for general use you need to build your system around your NLE requirements and depending on what source material you will be handling, I have a I7 3770 with only 8gb of ram and I did not even need a separate GPU as my NLE utilizes the onboard gpu from the motherboard for fast h.264 renders, even with this limited setup avchd 50p is realtime also in a multicam setup of 2 camera with a high quality preview (which I use a lot at weddings or danceperformances), This is when you use Edius, when you use adobe that would be a total different setup you'd need to maximize performance and for vegas that yet again will be different.

Bruce Watson · February 28th, 2014, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by John McCully

Nanoxia Deep Silence DS2 Mid tower
Noctua NH-U14S CPU Cooler with NF-A15 PWM
Intel Haswell Core i7 4771 3.50 GHz 8MB LGA 1150
ASUS Z87-Deluxe Intel Z87 ATX Haswell LGA1150 Motherboard
ASUS GTX770-DC2OC-2GD5 GeForce GTX770 Ovreclocked 2GB GDDRS PCI-E3.0
Mushkin Blackline Frostbyte 16GB (2x8GBS DDR3-1600 CL9 (997068)
Corsair RM series RM750W Fully Modular PSU 80Plus Gold

Don't know anything about the case, but you might want to check that your case gives you enough room to mount that massive CPU cooler. Which IMHO is way overkill for an i7-4771 which has a TDP of only 84w. The cooler size might also interfere with memory installation on that board, IDK.

Next, check to make sure you have enough power supply for the graphics card. Power supplies run most efficiently near the middle of their rating; I suspect that this rig will be running a 750 power supply near the top of its rating much of the time. Some more headroom might be nice.

It's all about balance. No point putting Corvette tires on a VW bug, and all that.

Chris Medico · February 28th, 2014, 09:08 AM

I went with liquid cooling on my last two builds. I won't do another air cooled CPU cooler. My i7-3930k runs cool and is practically silent until I crank up the rendering. Even at full tilt it is not obtrusive. I've not seen the CPU go over 60c yet. The liquid cooler takes up a lot less space versus the CPU and puts much less stress on the motherboard.

Tim Polster · February 28th, 2014, 11:17 AM

Chris, which liquid cooler do you recommend?

John, I think you have a nice system to put together. There are advantages for both the x79 and the 1150 platforms. With the latest processors you will not be left wanting with either.

Harm Millaard · February 28th, 2014, 11:53 AM

John,

While I realize this link and all the articles there are written purely from a Premiere Pro perspective, it may be informative: Tweakers Page

Another link may also be interesting: Final Results

I think the basic problem is twofold. The mid-tower case and the limited PCIe lanes on all 11xx socket motherboards.

Chris Medico · February 28th, 2014, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim Polster

Chris, which liquid cooler do you recommend?

John, I think you have a nice system to put together. There are advantages for both the x79 and the 1150 platforms. With the latest processors you will not be left wanting with either.

I'm using the Corsair H80 on the 3930k. I have had one problem with it I should report. The fan control failed on the unit after about 6 months of use. I moved the fans over to the CPU plug on the motherboard and kept going. I ended up liking that arrangement better anyway because with the motherboard fan control l was able to customize the fan-speed/CPU-temp relationship and make something that is totally silent when its not rendering.

Harm Millaard · February 28th, 2014, 12:44 PM

Chris,

Do you use liquid cooling on your video card, raid controller and other additional cards too and limit yourself to SSD's only?

How do you reduce the sound of the radiator fans, which are pretty loud on the H series?

Chris Medico · February 28th, 2014, 12:57 PM

I don't have liquid cooling on the video card. The GTX670 card I am using isn't that loud. At least the Asus version I have isn't.

Moving the fan contro to the motherboard gave me more control over their speed. They are noisy when running full blast. I'm able to ramp the fans down to a very quiet level and keep the CPU temp in the 40s. When the CPU is loaded the fans will ramp up. I have the speed curve set to reach 100% when the CPU hits 70c. It never gets that warm though. Upper 50s with the fans running about 60% is where it tops out. You can hear it a that point but it is still much less obtrusive than when the fans were being controlled by the stock outputs on the H80.

I have both regular HDs and SSDs in the machine. I use the SSDs for high bitrate DNxHD or ProRes video. The regular drives are fine for compressed stuff such as XDCam or proxies (DNxHD36). The master files stay on the server to be conformed when the project is final rendered.

The RAID setup is on the server which is in another room. It is all air cooled and is quite noisy compared to the machine in the office.

Tim Polster · February 28th, 2014, 02:05 PM

Thanks Chris.

John McCully · March 2nd, 2014, 01:11 AM

Thanks folks for the input, most appreciated. I might just go with this setup. Probably overkill for what I do but what the heck; it's only money. Let's say it is my Christmas present to myself, somewhat premature but why not. I stipulated when talking to my supplier that it must be quiet and handle AVCHD files flawlessly.

And for my birthday (much later this year) I shall probably go with an FDR-AX100 next month. That should do for a bit...:-)

February 27th, 2014, 11:47 PM	#1
John McCully Major Player Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: South Island, New Zealand Posts: 609 Images: 2	New PC for...everything. I am about to place an order for this lot below suggested by my local supplier for mostly editing using Vegas Pro 12 for now but that could change . Oh, I should add I'm just a 'hobbyist' videographer. What do you think? Comments most appreciated.: Nanoxia Deep Silence DS2 Mid tower Noctua NH-U14S CPU Cooler with NF-A15 PWM Intel Haswell Core i7 4771 3.50 GHz 8MB LGA 1150 ASUS Z87-Deluxe Intel Z87 ATX Haswell LGA1150 Motherboard ASUS GTX770-DC2OC-2GD5 GeForce GTX770 Ovreclocked 2GB GDDRS PCI-E3.0 Mushkin Blackline Frostbyte 16GB (2x8GBS DDR3-1600 CL9 (997068) Corsair RM series RM750W Fully Modular PSU 80Plus Gold

February 28th, 2014, 04:11 AM	#2
James Manford Trustee Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: London, UK Posts: 1,393	Re: New PC for...everything. I've been told to buy a 3930k or any of the x79 platform CPU's for video editing as it requires a lot of horsepower. However, I am doing fine with just a i7 3770k and 32gb ram and a R9 270x now. I think video editing depends on so many factors that you can go spend a lot of money on very expensive gear, only to be crippled because of a simple setting within the program. The setup your looking to buy looks more than capable. I would invest in 32gb ram at least though.

February 28th, 2014, 05:00 AM	#3
Noa Put Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Posts: 9,510	Re: New PC for...everything. Even for general use you need to build your system around your NLE requirements and depending on what source material you will be handling, I have a I7 3770 with only 8gb of ram and I did not even need a separate GPU as my NLE utilizes the onboard gpu from the motherboard for fast h.264 renders, even with this limited setup avchd 50p is realtime also in a multicam setup of 2 camera with a high quality preview (which I use a lot at weddings or danceperformances), This is when you use Edius, when you use adobe that would be a total different setup you'd need to maximize performance and for vegas that yet again will be different.

February 28th, 2014, 09:08 AM	#5
Chris Medico Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Efland NC, USA Posts: 2,322	Re: New PC for...everything. I went with liquid cooling on my last two builds. I won't do another air cooled CPU cooler. My i7-3930k runs cool and is practically silent until I crank up the rendering. Even at full tilt it is not obtrusive. I've not seen the CPU go over 60c yet. The liquid cooler takes up a lot less space versus the CPU and puts much less stress on the motherboard. __________________ http://www.LandYachtMedia.com

February 28th, 2014, 11:17 AM	#6
Tim Polster Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Arlington, TX Posts: 2,231	Re: New PC for...everything. Chris, which liquid cooler do you recommend? John, I think you have a nice system to put together. There are advantages for both the x79 and the 1150 platforms. With the latest processors you will not be left wanting with either.

February 28th, 2014, 11:53 AM	#7
Harm Millaard Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rotterdam, Netherlands Posts: 1,832	Re: New PC for...everything. John, While I realize this link and all the articles there are written purely from a Premiere Pro perspective, it may be informative: Tweakers Page Another link may also be interesting: Final Results I think the basic problem is twofold. The mid-tower case and the limited PCIe lanes on all 11xx socket motherboards.

February 28th, 2014, 12:44 PM	#9
Harm Millaard Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rotterdam, Netherlands Posts: 1,832	Re: New PC for...everything. Chris, Do you use liquid cooling on your video card, raid controller and other additional cards too and limit yourself to SSD's only? How do you reduce the sound of the radiator fans, which are pretty loud on the H series?

February 28th, 2014, 12:57 PM	#10
Chris Medico Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Efland NC, USA Posts: 2,322	Re: New PC for...everything. I don't have liquid cooling on the video card. The GTX670 card I am using isn't that loud. At least the Asus version I have isn't. Moving the fan contro to the motherboard gave me more control over their speed. They are noisy when running full blast. I'm able to ramp the fans down to a very quiet level and keep the CPU temp in the 40s. When the CPU is loaded the fans will ramp up. I have the speed curve set to reach 100% when the CPU hits 70c. It never gets that warm though. Upper 50s with the fans running about 60% is where it tops out. You can hear it a that point but it is still much less obtrusive than when the fans were being controlled by the stock outputs on the H80. I have both regular HDs and SSDs in the machine. I use the SSDs for high bitrate DNxHD or ProRes video. The regular drives are fine for compressed stuff such as XDCam or proxies (DNxHD36). The master files stay on the server to be conformed when the project is final rendered. The RAID setup is on the server which is in another room. It is all air cooled and is quite noisy compared to the machine in the office. __________________ http://www.LandYachtMedia.com

February 28th, 2014, 02:05 PM	#11
Tim Polster Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Arlington, TX Posts: 2,231	Re: New PC for...everything. Thanks Chris.

March 2nd, 2014, 01:11 AM	#12
John McCully Major Player Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: South Island, New Zealand Posts: 609 Images: 2	Re: New PC for...everything. Thanks folks for the input, most appreciated. I might just go with this setup. Probably overkill for what I do but what the heck; it's only money. Let's say it is my Christmas present to myself, somewhat premature but why not. I stipulated when talking to my supplier that it must be quiet and handle AVCHD files flawlessly. And for my birthday (much later this year) I shall probably go with an FDR-AX100 next month. That should do for a bit...:-)