Attaching Firewire instantly crashes pc! at DVinfo.net

Brendan Sundry · June 21st, 2005, 08:30 PM

I am having a problem where i plug in my cam to the firewire and the whole compter (98SE) crashes and it restarts. Just wondering if anyone else has experience with this annoying situation.

B.Sundry

K. Forman · June 21st, 2005, 08:57 PM

Is it a built in 1394 port, or an add on card? Does the camera work with other PCs?

Brendan Sundry · June 21st, 2005, 09:38 PM

The card is an add on 2 port pci, im am about to try the camera on another pc, and also another cable if i can.

Rob Lohman · June 22nd, 2005, 04:33 AM

Make sure the camera is TURNED OFF when you connect the cables. Then
TURN IT ON.

Windows 98 (SE) is starting to become a very old operating system. Especially
with modern day technology like firewire, DV and editing. It is probably better
to upgrade to XP if you can. This usually solves these kind of issues (unless
your firewire card is bad).

K. Forman · June 22nd, 2005, 02:30 PM

I know 98 was bad about USBs, and they fixed some of that with SE. However, Firewire may be a different story. If you have connected the cable while the cam was powered, you might have fried a 1394 port. Check your camera by hooking a second camera up to it with the 1394 cable, and see if you get anything. Then try new drivers, replacing the card as a last resort.

Steven Davis · June 22nd, 2005, 02:38 PM

What Keith said...........drivers drivers drivers................ If you can get the dough, think about jumping to XP.

David Kennett · June 22nd, 2005, 02:39 PM

Brendan,

I started DV editing on a P2-400 (W98-SE) with pci-card firewire. It worked, but you will soon become unhappy with the 4 gig file size limit!

Brendan Sundry · June 22nd, 2005, 07:42 PM

i just tested the cable on another computer and thats rulled out.

Also i ghosted my machine and it still kept crashing, but not straight away this time, then it worked, then it didnt,

i also had a trial of Xp isntalled on another partition but it didnt recognise the cam at first either,eventually it saw it was a jvc cam,but wouldnt fireup in premiere 6 1/2.

im thinking of just buying another card off ebay. But whats the deal with drivers?
The card ive got now didnt come with drivers, but can i install something to troubleshoot the card?

ps. i have ghosted my machine about 30 rimes in 3 years and never had a problem, i have plugged in my cam when its on when the computers oon/off vice versa.

Anyway,
I appreciate the help

Ozzie Alfonso · July 3rd, 2005, 11:34 AM

I have given up on 1394 except when there is no other choice (e.g. the camcorder's only digital output.) It would take a very long post to list all the problems I've experienced with 1394 (on a PC with XP Pro) over the years.

I have finally begun to replace my drives with either USB2 interfaces or SATA. The USB 2 for laptops; SATA for systems that can accomodate the card.

The problems with 1394 can be boiled down to - badly designed connectors and a quirky interface that is hard to troubleshoot. If you are doing editing that requires frequent plugging and unplugging of cables - stay away from 1394, eventually either the cable, the male connector (which end?), or the female end WILL fail and drive you nuts trying to pinpoint the problem.

PS - as has been suggested - switch to XP Pro SP2; and if you are up for it, you can change the drive's housing from 1394 to USB2. This can be done as along as you know someone who knows what he or she is doing.

Alex Barabas · July 13th, 2005, 06:13 PM

I had my USB 2.0s crashing my computer -- turned out to be the Asus motherboard. I advance RMA'd the board and the one they sent me had a bad BIOS chip... quick swap from the old board and everything works now!

Brendan Sundry · July 13th, 2005, 08:00 PM

it seems if i start up the pc with the cam off, and then turn it on before opening premiere it seems to work 2/3 times.

Thanks for the help .

b.sundry

June 21st, 2005, 08:30 PM	#1
Brendan Sundry Regular Crew Join Date: May 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 112	Attaching Firewire instantly crashes pc! I am having a problem where i plug in my cam to the firewire and the whole compter (98SE) crashes and it restarts. Just wondering if anyone else has experience with this annoying situation. B.Sundry

June 21st, 2005, 08:57 PM	#2
K. Forman Capt. Quirk Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Middle of the woods in Georgia Posts: 3,596	Is it a built in 1394 port, or an add on card? Does the camera work with other PCs? __________________ www.SmokeWagonLeather.us

June 22nd, 2005, 04:33 AM	#4
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Make sure the camera is TURNED OFF when you connect the cables. Then TURN IT ON. Windows 98 (SE) is starting to become a very old operating system. Especially with modern day technology like firewire, DV and editing. It is probably better to upgrade to XP if you can. This usually solves these kind of issues (unless your firewire card is bad). __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

June 22nd, 2005, 02:30 PM	#5
K. Forman Capt. Quirk Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Middle of the woods in Georgia Posts: 3,596	I know 98 was bad about USBs, and they fixed some of that with SE. However, Firewire may be a different story. If you have connected the cable while the cam was powered, you might have fried a 1394 port. Check your camera by hooking a second camera up to it with the 1394 cable, and see if you get anything. Then try new drivers, replacing the card as a last resort. __________________ www.SmokeWagonLeather.us

June 22nd, 2005, 02:38 PM	#6
Steven Davis Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 3,065	What Keith said...........drivers drivers drivers................ If you can get the dough, think about jumping to XP. __________________ What happens if I push the 'Red' button?

June 21st, 2005, 09:38 PM	#3
Brendan Sundry Regular Crew Join Date: May 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 112	The card is an add on 2 port pci, im am about to try the camera on another pc, and also another cable if i can.

June 22nd, 2005, 02:39 PM	#7
David Kennett Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: North Ridgeville, Ohio Posts: 407	Brendan, I started DV editing on a P2-400 (W98-SE) with pci-card firewire. It worked, but you will soon become unhappy with the 4 gig file size limit! __________________ Dave

June 22nd, 2005, 07:42 PM	#8
Brendan Sundry Regular Crew Join Date: May 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 112	i just tested the cable on another computer and thats rulled out. Also i ghosted my machine and it still kept crashing, but not straight away this time, then it worked, then it didnt, i also had a trial of Xp isntalled on another partition but it didnt recognise the cam at first either,eventually it saw it was a jvc cam,but wouldnt fireup in premiere 6 1/2. im thinking of just buying another card off ebay. But whats the deal with drivers? The card ive got now didnt come with drivers, but can i install something to troubleshoot the card? ps. i have ghosted my machine about 30 rimes in 3 years and never had a problem, i have plugged in my cam when its on when the computers oon/off vice versa. Anyway, I appreciate the help

July 3rd, 2005, 11:34 AM	#9
Ozzie Alfonso Major Player Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: New York, NY Posts: 355	I have given up on 1394 except when there is no other choice (e.g. the camcorder's only digital output.) It would take a very long post to list all the problems I've experienced with 1394 (on a PC with XP Pro) over the years. I have finally begun to replace my drives with either USB2 interfaces or SATA. The USB 2 for laptops; SATA for systems that can accomodate the card. The problems with 1394 can be boiled down to - badly designed connectors and a quirky interface that is hard to troubleshoot. If you are doing editing that requires frequent plugging and unplugging of cables - stay away from 1394, eventually either the cable, the male connector (which end?), or the female end WILL fail and drive you nuts trying to pinpoint the problem. PS - as has been suggested - switch to XP Pro SP2; and if you are up for it, you can change the drive's housing from 1394 to USB2. This can be done as along as you know someone who knows what he or she is doing. __________________ *Ozzie Alfonso* www.ozziealfonso.com

July 13th, 2005, 06:13 PM	#10
Alex Barabas Regular Crew Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 61	I had my USB 2.0s crashing my computer -- turned out to be the Asus motherboard. I advance RMA'd the board and the one they sent me had a bad BIOS chip... quick swap from the old board and everything works now!

July 13th, 2005, 08:00 PM	#11
Brendan Sundry Regular Crew Join Date: May 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 112	it seems if i start up the pc with the cam off, and then turn it on before opening premiere it seems to work 2/3 times. Thanks for the help . b.sundry