Hard Drive size? at DVinfo.net

Matt Lomeli · March 21st, 2005, 06:54 PM

Right now, I am currently using my laptop's 80g hard drive. I quickly found out, this isn't enough space with all my other apps. It's just not enough room for any kind of video. Does anyone have any suggestions on type and size of a external usb hard drive? Any reasons why you would recommend are, as always, very helpful. Thanks

Bob Costa · March 21st, 2005, 09:37 PM

13GB = 1 hour DV footage. Allow extra room for workspace. How many hours of footage do you want to have online at one time?

Matt Lomeli · March 22nd, 2005, 06:34 PM

Well, I'm not sure. I recently just bought a new dv camera and probably will put some hours into it (well, more than that...but you know what I mean). I am thinking of just getting a 300 gig usb hard drive. This would allow me to take my time and get to editing whenever I can. Is there a better option for this?

Boyd Ostroff · March 22nd, 2005, 06:44 PM

I can assure you that a few months from now you will never say "I wish I'd bought a smaller hard drive." :-)

Just be certain the drive is fast enough (7200RPM) and has sufficient transfer speed for editing. I've only worked with firewire drives personally, although I understand that USB 2 is OK.

I recently got a Seagate 300 GB 7200 RPM drive with 8MB cache and USB2/firewire interfaces. It works fine on my Mac with firewire. Price was about $235 on sale a couple months ago at a local "big box" store.

Matt Lomeli · March 22nd, 2005, 08:57 PM

good point. I don't think i'd wish for anything smaller. I have a best buy gift card burning a hole in my pocket.

Matt Lomeli · March 22nd, 2005, 10:51 PM

I was looking at external hard drives and came up with a question. What is cache buffer? I've seen 4mb, 8mb and 16mb. What does all that mean?

Bob Costa · March 23rd, 2005, 07:09 AM

cache is RAM between two devices (your disk and your computer in this case). It helps with bus timing issues to get extra thruput.

One option is to get an IDE swappable chassis that has firewire or USB2 connections. Then you can add cheap IDE (internal) drives as needed, but only one at a time. If you have a lot of active projects at once, this would be a good idea. SInc eyou don't know, just get something in the 200GB - 300Gb range. I would just base it on cost per GB, since you will want more later no matter what you do and they get cheaper every few months. 300GB gives you 20 hours on line plus some nice amount of workspace. at 10:1 ratio, 20 hours of footage would yield 2 hour final product.

Patrick Jenkins · March 23rd, 2005, 09:50 AM

Get 2 200GB external drives (firewire or USB or whatever) and you'll be good to go. When you run out of room, pick up another 200GB.

Matt Lomeli · March 23rd, 2005, 04:54 PM

is it better to go with the 8mb buffer or the 16mb? I would guess 16mb, but I don't really know.

Glenn Chan · March 23rd, 2005, 06:55 PM

For video there's really no practical difference.

For desktop usage with lots of repeated disk accesses for the same file, a larger buffer will improve performance. For sequential reads (i.e. video applications reading video files), a buffer does not help at all.

storagereview.com has lots of information, but you really don't need to go there. All the 7200rpm hard drives nowadays are more than fast enough for DV. You might get problems with the USB2 or firewire interface. Other devices sharing those interfaces can slow things down enough that you get dropped frames. There are also some products that have issues (i.e. prolific chipsets for usb2/firewire combo devices).

What I'd do is wait until Best Buy is running a loss leader deally on an external or internal drive. If it doesn't work, get a refund. Be sure to test the item quickly and to send in the rebate.

Matt Lomeli · March 23rd, 2005, 07:16 PM

thanks a lot guys, but glenn....What is a "loss leader deally"? I can't figure out what you mean.

Boyd Ostroff · March 23rd, 2005, 07:32 PM

Loss leaders are things a store sells at a loss just to get you in the doors on the hopes you'll buy a bunch of other stuff while you're there.

Glenn Chan · March 23rd, 2005, 07:53 PM

Yep, what Boyd said.

In the States, try some of the various hot deals sites around. Fatwallet.com, gotapex.com are two that come to mind but I can't really vouch for their quality. The forums tend to be really useful, as people will discuss whether or not the deal is good and the merits of the product. Front page deals on hot deals sites may be sponsored and not that great a deal.

Loss leader items might be a hassle to deal with, as they tend to go out of stock quickly and after that you have to mess around with rebates. Some people just order online, so they don't waste time going to a store and they get free shipping anyways.

*I'm not sure what happens with gift cards online.

Matt Lomeli · March 23rd, 2005, 11:20 PM

ahhhh....ok. thanks guys.

James Binder · March 24th, 2005, 04:42 PM

I have two external Maxtor 300 Gig hard drives. Work great. Love 'em...

March 21st, 2005, 06:54 PM	#1
Matt Lomeli New Boot Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 17	Hard Drive size? Right now, I am currently using my laptop's 80g hard drive. I quickly found out, this isn't enough space with all my other apps. It's just not enough room for any kind of video. Does anyone have any suggestions on type and size of a external usb hard drive? Any reasons why you would recommend are, as always, very helpful. Thanks __________________ _______________ ml

March 22nd, 2005, 06:34 PM	#3
Matt Lomeli New Boot Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 17	Well, I'm not sure. I recently just bought a new dv camera and probably will put some hours into it (well, more than that...but you know what I mean). I am thinking of just getting a 300 gig usb hard drive. This would allow me to take my time and get to editing whenever I can. Is there a better option for this? __________________ _______________ ml

March 22nd, 2005, 08:57 PM	#5
Matt Lomeli New Boot Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 17	good point. I don't think i'd wish for anything smaller. I have a best buy gift card burning a hole in my pocket. __________________ _______________ ml

March 22nd, 2005, 10:51 PM	#6
Matt Lomeli New Boot Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 17	I was looking at external hard drives and came up with a question. What is cache buffer? I've seen 4mb, 8mb and 16mb. What does all that mean? __________________ _______________ ml

March 23rd, 2005, 04:54 PM	#9
Matt Lomeli New Boot Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 17	is it better to go with the 8mb buffer or the 16mb? I would guess 16mb, but I don't really know. __________________ _______________ ml

March 21st, 2005, 09:37 PM	#2
Bob Costa Major Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Venice, FL Posts: 850	13GB = 1 hour DV footage. Allow extra room for workspace. How many hours of footage do you want to have online at one time?

March 22nd, 2005, 06:44 PM	#4
Boyd Ostroff Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 11,802	I can assure you that a few months from now you will never say "I wish I'd bought a smaller hard drive." :-) Just be certain the drive is fast enough (7200RPM) and has sufficient transfer speed for editing. I've only worked with firewire drives personally, although I understand that USB 2 is OK. I recently got a Seagate 300 GB 7200 RPM drive with 8MB cache and USB2/firewire interfaces. It works fine on my Mac with firewire. Price was about $235 on sale a couple months ago at a local "big box" store.

March 23rd, 2005, 07:09 AM	#7
Bob Costa Major Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Venice, FL Posts: 850	cache is RAM between two devices (your disk and your computer in this case). It helps with bus timing issues to get extra thruput. One option is to get an IDE swappable chassis that has firewire or USB2 connections. Then you can add cheap IDE (internal) drives as needed, but only one at a time. If you have a lot of active projects at once, this would be a good idea. SInc eyou don't know, just get something in the 200GB - 300Gb range. I would just base it on cost per GB, since you will want more later no matter what you do and they get cheaper every few months. 300GB gives you 20 hours on line plus some nice amount of workspace. at 10:1 ratio, 20 hours of footage would yield 2 hour final product.

March 23rd, 2005, 09:50 AM	#8
Patrick Jenkins Major Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Maryland, USA Posts: 382	Get 2 200GB external drives (firewire or USB or whatever) and you'll be good to go. When you run out of room, pick up another 200GB.

March 23rd, 2005, 06:55 PM	#10
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	For video there's really no practical difference. For desktop usage with lots of repeated disk accesses for the same file, a larger buffer will improve performance. For sequential reads (i.e. video applications reading video files), a buffer does not help at all. storagereview.com has lots of information, but you really don't need to go there. All the 7200rpm hard drives nowadays are more than fast enough for DV. You might get problems with the USB2 or firewire interface. Other devices sharing those interfaces can slow things down enough that you get dropped frames. There are also some products that have issues (i.e. prolific chipsets for usb2/firewire combo devices). What I'd do is wait until Best Buy is running a loss leader deally on an external or internal drive. If it doesn't work, get a refund. Be sure to test the item quickly and to send in the rebate.

March 23rd, 2005, 07:16 PM	#11
Matt Lomeli New Boot Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 17	thanks a lot guys, but glenn....What is a "loss leader deally"? I can't figure out what you mean. __________________ _______________ ml

March 23rd, 2005, 07:32 PM	#12
Boyd Ostroff Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 11,802	Loss leaders are things a store sells at a loss just to get you in the doors on the hopes you'll buy a bunch of other stuff while you're there.

March 23rd, 2005, 07:53 PM	#13
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	Yep, what Boyd said. In the States, try some of the various hot deals sites around. Fatwallet.com, gotapex.com are two that come to mind but I can't really vouch for their quality. The forums tend to be really useful, as people will discuss whether or not the deal is good and the merits of the product. Front page deals on hot deals sites may be sponsored and not that great a deal. Loss leader items might be a hassle to deal with, as they tend to go out of stock quickly and after that you have to mess around with rebates. Some people just order online, so they don't waste time going to a store and they get free shipping anyways. *I'm not sure what happens with gift cards online.

March 23rd, 2005, 11:20 PM	#14
Matt Lomeli New Boot Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 17	ahhhh....ok. thanks guys. __________________ _______________ ml

March 24th, 2005, 04:42 PM	#15
James Binder Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: NY, NYC Posts: 367	I have two external Maxtor 300 Gig hard drives. Work great. Love 'em...