Looking for a Good Intra-Frame Codec at DVinfo.net

Peter Moore · April 16th, 2004, 09:16 AM

Hi folks,

Should be an easy question, but who knows. I'm looking for a general purpose, intra-frame only, high quality video codec that supports arbitrary resolutions and framerates. It can be for DirectShow or QuickTime. Basically I want DV with arbitrary framerates and resolutions.

Does any such thing exist? If so, what would you suggest? I'm willing to pay a modest sum for it.

Peter Moore · April 17th, 2004, 05:54 AM

So... is the answer that there is none? I can't believe it.

Graeme Nattress · April 17th, 2004, 01:11 PM

I'd say that PhotoJPEG is what you're looking for.

Graeme

Rob Lohman · April 18th, 2004, 06:49 AM

High bitrate MJPEG is what everyone seems to be using for that
work and different resolutions and framerate. MJPEG stands for
motion jpeg. Kinda is the same as DV only more general.

Peter Moore · April 19th, 2004, 06:46 AM

Sounds like that's exactly what I need. Now just have to find a good codec implementation. Any recommendations?

Mark Jefferson · April 19th, 2004, 07:52 AM

You might also want to check Huffyuv or QT Animation

Rob Lohman · April 21st, 2004, 03:30 AM

I know of these codecs, but I'm not sure if they support high-
bitrates and how well they'll handle higher resolutions. Each seem
to have a demo available so you can try it out. They are cheap
as well!

MainConcept (they make a good MPEG encoder so this would be my first one to try)
Morgan Multimedia (were good in the past, don't know how they are now)
Pegasus Imaging (never used this myself)

Peter Moore · April 21st, 2004, 08:32 AM

What about DVCPRO? Should I use that?

Basically I want something that I can use for my final masters to pump into Canopus Procoder for DVDs, but it needs to support 24p. So it needs to be as good as DV if not better.

Nick Jushchyshyn · April 21st, 2004, 09:11 AM

Have you looked into the HuffYUV codec ??
Have fun.

Rob Lohman · April 21st, 2004, 09:24 AM

DVCPRO is just DV with some different parameters. It is as strict
as plain DV is so I would not use that in this case. Take a look
at the suggestions already offered.

Peter Moore · April 21st, 2004, 12:31 PM

Thanks.

I tried QuickTime's MJPEG-A and B and they do look excellent. I'm having a hard time telling if they're as good as DV though.

I'll also take a look at Huffyuv. Looks promising. Thanks a lot for that suggestion.

Peter Moore · April 25th, 2004, 09:21 PM

Ah, this huffyuv works like a charm. This is the codec I've been looking for I think. Great stuff. Thanks!

Darko Tomic · April 26th, 2004, 01:43 AM

I am very interested in this huffyuv codec, can I capture via my firewire card directly with it, or not ?

Regards
Darko

Peter Moore · April 26th, 2004, 08:58 AM

I don't think that's possible. Firewire capture just captures the data stream directly with no modifcation to it. It's not like analog capture where you're encoding it too. So I think you need to get DV first then export it with an NLE to huffyuv.

But once you do it's fantastic. It's only 2x as big as DV, which is pretty amazing when you think about it considering it's lossless. I'm going to do all my mastering with it from now on.

Darko Tomic · April 26th, 2004, 03:56 PM

<<<-- But once you do it's fantastic. It's only 2x as big as DV, which is pretty amazing when you think about it considering it's lossless. I'm going to do all my mastering with it from now on. -->>>

Thanx for the answer Peter,

now I wonder why should I use this codec cause when I once put my video to DV codec it is already compressed ie the quality is degraded. All I can think of is if you have multiple recompression od dv video, and want to have lossless codec for intermediate renderings (color correction etc...)

Best regards

April 16th, 2004, 09:16 AM	#1
Peter Moore Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 1,034	Looking for a Good Intra-Frame Codec Hi folks, Should be an easy question, but who knows. I'm looking for a general purpose, intra-frame only, high quality video codec that supports arbitrary resolutions and framerates. It can be for DirectShow or QuickTime. Basically I want DV with arbitrary framerates and resolutions. Does any such thing exist? If so, what would you suggest? I'm willing to pay a modest sum for it.

April 17th, 2004, 01:11 PM	#3
Graeme Nattress RED Problem Solver Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 1,365	I'd say that PhotoJPEG is what you're looking for. Graeme __________________ www.nattress.com - filters for FCP

April 18th, 2004, 06:49 AM	#4
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	High bitrate MJPEG is what everyone seems to be using for that work and different resolutions and framerate. MJPEG stands for motion jpeg. Kinda is the same as DV only more general. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

April 21st, 2004, 03:30 AM	#7
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	I know of these codecs, but I'm not sure if they support high- bitrates and how well they'll handle higher resolutions. Each seem to have a demo available so you can try it out. They are cheap as well! MainConcept (they make a good MPEG encoder so this would be my first one to try) Morgan Multimedia (were good in the past, don't know how they are now) Pegasus Imaging (never used this myself) __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

April 21st, 2004, 09:24 AM	#10
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	DVCPRO is just DV with some different parameters. It is as strict as plain DV is so I would not use that in this case. Take a look at the suggestions already offered. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

April 17th, 2004, 05:54 AM	#2
Peter Moore Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 1,034	So... is the answer that there is none? I can't believe it.

April 19th, 2004, 06:46 AM	#5
Peter Moore Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 1,034	Sounds like that's exactly what I need. Now just have to find a good codec implementation. Any recommendations?

April 19th, 2004, 07:52 AM	#6
Mark Jefferson Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Collinsville, Illinois Posts: 86	You might also want to check Huffyuv or QT Animation

April 21st, 2004, 08:32 AM	#8
Peter Moore Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 1,034	What about DVCPRO? Should I use that? Basically I want something that I can use for my final masters to pump into Canopus Procoder for DVDs, but it needs to support 24p. So it needs to be as good as DV if not better.

April 21st, 2004, 09:11 AM	#9
Nick Jushchyshyn Major Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Philadelphia, PA, USA Posts: 548	Have you looked into the HuffYUV codec ?? Have fun.

April 21st, 2004, 12:31 PM	#11
Peter Moore Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 1,034	Thanks. I tried QuickTime's MJPEG-A and B and they do look excellent. I'm having a hard time telling if they're as good as DV though. I'll also take a look at Huffyuv. Looks promising. Thanks a lot for that suggestion.

April 25th, 2004, 09:21 PM	#12
Peter Moore Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 1,034	Ah, this huffyuv works like a charm. This is the codec I've been looking for I think. Great stuff. Thanks!

April 26th, 2004, 01:43 AM	#13
Darko Tomic Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Belgrade, Serbia Posts: 38	I am very interested in this huffyuv codec, can I capture via my firewire card directly with it, or not ? Regards Darko

April 26th, 2004, 08:58 AM	#14
Peter Moore Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 1,034	I don't think that's possible. Firewire capture just captures the data stream directly with no modifcation to it. It's not like analog capture where you're encoding it too. So I think you need to get DV first then export it with an NLE to huffyuv. But once you do it's fantastic. It's only 2x as big as DV, which is pretty amazing when you think about it considering it's lossless. I'm going to do all my mastering with it from now on.

April 26th, 2004, 03:56 PM	#15
Darko Tomic Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Belgrade, Serbia Posts: 38	<<<-- But once you do it's fantastic. It's only 2x as big as DV, which is pretty amazing when you think about it considering it's lossless. I'm going to do all my mastering with it from now on. -->>> Thanx for the answer Peter, now I wonder why should I use this codec cause when I once put my video to DV codec it is already compressed ie the quality is degraded. All I can think of is if you have multiple recompression od dv video, and want to have lossless codec for intermediate renderings (color correction etc...) Best regards