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Meindert Bosma · March 15th, 2004, 02:10 PM

As a PAL user and used to edit in PAL I may have to go to NTSC because I live in two countries and yes one Pal and one NTSC.

From my analogue period I remember horror with dropframes ect.
Anybody who can fill me in on the situation now ???

I edit on PC with Premiere Pro

Thanks for tips and suggestions

Meindert

Ed Smith · March 15th, 2004, 02:15 PM

Meindert,

I don't understand what you mean?

Are you asking what are the differences between PAL and NTSC editing?

Are you asking what settings to use?

Do you want to convert from PAL to NTSC and visa versa?

Is it none of the above?

Cheers,

Ed

Meindert Bosma · March 15th, 2004, 02:34 PM

Sorry if my posting is not clear.
I have always worked in PAL but have to make a choise between changing to NTSC and staying on PAL. From my analogue editing time I remember the problems with drop frames ect in NTSC and I wonder how this is in NLE because I never edited on my NLE any NTSC material.......................
Should I go on and convert my material from PAL to NTSC or is editing 99% the same in digital and is it no problem what I use as source............. I tend to hold on to PAL but perhaps someone can advise me why I should or should not stay on PAL and better go to NTSC camera (Panasonic AG-DVC100A)

Hope I am more clear now............

Thanks
Meindert

Frank Granovski · March 15th, 2004, 02:44 PM

Where ever you live, leave your PAL as PAL and NTSC as NTSC. Or get a converting VCR.

Rob Lohman · March 16th, 2004, 03:25 AM

Meindert,

Editing digitally is 100% the same. If I interprete your question
correctly you want to know how reliable you can edit NTSC
footage. The answer to that is just as accurate as PAL (100%).

DV is fully digital. Your computer does not care whether the
footage is PAL or NTSC. You just need to setup your NLE correctly.
The computer fully supports 29.97 fps (dropframe) NTSC. In fact,
it is the only NTSC that is supported in DV.

If possible avoid conversions from PAL to NTSC or the otherway
around. You will always loose resolution and motion signatures.

If you want to know more regarding converting from one standard
to the other. Please hit the search button in the upper right of
the screen and enter as keywords PAL NTSC. This will find all
threads that mention those two words. It should lead to quite
a lot of threads on format conversion.

Meindert Bosma · March 16th, 2004, 03:43 AM

Hallo Rob

Thank you for making a simple question clear. Will buy the NTSC Panasonic and will convert in studio and happy edit on ............

All the best and I will find out the rest.

Thanks again

Meindert

Rob Lohman · March 16th, 2004, 04:04 AM

Meindert,

Hold on a minute there. No-one suggested you to buy NTSC
equipment and start converting. Everybody basically said you
shouldn't.

A lot of people have responded to carefully guide you along
your path. Please take the time to understand the answers
given and post back on those thoughts.

With your last posts none of us know if you understood what
whe are trying to tell you or not. It feels like you don't.

I understand that you might want to buy NTSC equipment to
work with NTSC footage. No problems there. The anxiety is
coming from your little sentence "will convert in studio"

Please take the time to talk this over with us before you purchase.
This way you hopefully won't end up buying something wrong!

Meindert Bosma · March 16th, 2004, 04:17 AM

Hi I live and work in Europe and Asia and had to decide to buy a new Pal or NTSC camera because if the different standards. Knowing editing in NTSC digital is easyer than the old analogue way I know I can work with NTSC camera and I work in professional places where I can have my material converted in a professional way.

Hope all is OK now and sorry for my not clear explaining but I think I understand now.

Meindert

Rob Lohman · March 16th, 2004, 04:49 AM

Okay. That sounds better indeed. Keep in mind that even with
professional houses you will still loose quality in the conversion.
But they will do a better job then you and I can.

If you work with native PAL or native NTSC then there are no
problems indeed.

Good luck!

Meindert Bosma · March 16th, 2004, 04:53 AM

Just want to thank all for help. I will a.s.a.p buy a PAL and NTSC camera so I have lo loss and solve the problem in the best way but for now I know what to do ...............

Great help and hope to be able to help someone also sometimes !!!

have a great day ( I have because just sold 2 videopresentations .......... during this conversation )

Meindert

March 15th, 2004, 02:10 PM	#1
Meindert Bosma New Boot Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 13	PAL or NTSC As a PAL user and used to edit in PAL I may have to go to NTSC because I live in two countries and yes one Pal and one NTSC. From my analogue period I remember horror with dropframes ect. Anybody who can fill me in on the situation now ??? I edit on PC with Premiere Pro Thanks for tips and suggestions Meindert

March 15th, 2004, 02:15 PM	#2
Ed Smith Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hampshire, England Posts: 1,545	Meindert, I don't understand what you mean? Are you asking what are the differences between PAL and NTSC editing? Are you asking what settings to use? Do you want to convert from PAL to NTSC and visa versa? Is it none of the above? Cheers, Ed __________________ Ed Smith Hampshire, UK Good things come to those who wait My Skiing web www.Frostytour.co.uk For quick answers Search dvinfo.net \| The best in the business: dvinfo.net Sponsors

March 15th, 2004, 02:34 PM	#3
Meindert Bosma New Boot Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 13	To be clear Sorry if my posting is not clear. I have always worked in PAL but have to make a choise between changing to NTSC and staying on PAL. From my analogue editing time I remember the problems with drop frames ect in NTSC and I wonder how this is in NLE because I never edited on my NLE any NTSC material....................... Should I go on and convert my material from PAL to NTSC or is editing 99% the same in digital and is it no problem what I use as source............. I tend to hold on to PAL but perhaps someone can advise me why I should or should not stay on PAL and better go to NTSC camera (Panasonic AG-DVC100A) Hope I am more clear now............ Thanks Meindert

March 16th, 2004, 03:25 AM	#5
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Meindert, Editing digitally is 100% the same. If I interprete your question correctly you want to know how reliable you can edit NTSC footage. The answer to that is just as accurate as PAL (100%). DV is fully digital. Your computer does not care whether the footage is PAL or NTSC. You just need to setup your NLE correctly. The computer fully supports 29.97 fps (dropframe) NTSC. In fact, it is the only NTSC that is supported in DV. If possible avoid conversions from PAL to NTSC or the otherway around. You will always loose resolution and motion signatures. If you want to know more regarding converting from one standard to the other. Please hit the search button in the upper right of the screen and enter as keywords PAL NTSC. This will find all threads that mention those two words. It should lead to quite a lot of threads on format conversion. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

March 16th, 2004, 03:43 AM	#6
Meindert Bosma New Boot Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 13	Thanks for reply Hallo Rob Thank you for making a simple question clear. Will buy the NTSC Panasonic and will convert in studio and happy edit on ............ All the best and I will find out the rest. Thanks again Meindert

March 15th, 2004, 02:44 PM	#4
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Where ever you live, leave your PAL as PAL and NTSC as NTSC. Or get a converting VCR.

March 16th, 2004, 04:04 AM	#7
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Meindert, Hold on a minute there. No-one suggested you to buy NTSC equipment and start converting. Everybody basically said you shouldn't. A lot of people have responded to carefully guide you along your path. Please take the time to understand the answers given and post back on those thoughts. With your last posts none of us know if you understood what whe are trying to tell you or not. It feels like you don't. I understand that you might want to buy NTSC equipment to work with NTSC footage. No problems there. The anxiety is coming from your little sentence "will convert in studio" Please take the time to talk this over with us before you purchase. This way you hopefully won't end up buying something wrong! __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

March 16th, 2004, 04:17 AM	#8
Meindert Bosma New Boot Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 13	I think I have no problem Hi I live and work in Europe and Asia and had to decide to buy a new Pal or NTSC camera because if the different standards. Knowing editing in NTSC digital is easyer than the old analogue way I know I can work with NTSC camera and I work in professional places where I can have my material converted in a professional way. Hope all is OK now and sorry for my not clear explaining but I think I understand now. Meindert

March 16th, 2004, 04:49 AM	#9
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Okay. That sounds better indeed. Keep in mind that even with professional houses you will still loose quality in the conversion. But they will do a better job then you and I can. If you work with native PAL or native NTSC then there are no problems indeed. Good luck! __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

March 16th, 2004, 04:53 AM	#10
Meindert Bosma New Boot Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 13	Thanks to all Just want to thank all for help. I will a.s.a.p buy a PAL and NTSC camera so I have lo loss and solve the problem in the best way but for now I know what to do ............... Great help and hope to be able to help someone also sometimes !!! have a great day ( I have because just sold 2 videopresentations .......... during this conversation ) Meindert